Are there scholars studying new religious movements in order to understand Christianity’s origins and development?

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Re: Are there scholars studying new religious movements in order to understand Christianity’s origins and development?

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MrMacSon wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:51 am
Leucius Charinus wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:47 pm In each case the religions were implemented by victorious military commanders after a massive civil war.
  • Irrelevant
Ashoka (Buddhism) = civil war.
Ptolemy I/II (Judaism via Gmirkin) = civil war
Ardashir (Zoroastianism) = civil war
Constantine (Christianity) = civil war
Muhammad (Islam) = civil war

Nothing to see here.
and, in Christianity's case, categorically false.[/list]
So Constantine the commander of the army of the western Roman empire and Licinius the commander of the army of the eastern Roman empire were not engaged in a war? LOL. Have it your own way Mac.
  • Irrelevant. Don't care.
  1. Propaganda
  • Propaganda
  1. It's not evidence: it's hearsay
  2. They're not valid primary sources: they're secondary: it's all hagiography and ancient historiography ie. myth-legend
Three cheers for the Ante Nicene "Fathers".
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Leucius Charinus wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:12 am
MrMacSon wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:51 am
Leucius Charinus wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:47 pm In each case the religions were implemented by victorious military commanders after a massive civil war.
  • Irrelevant
Ashoka (Buddhism) = civil war.
Ashoka embraced Buddhism after a war of conquest, not a civil war, and he failed to reshape society as Buddhist in India. Still, your general point stands.
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MrMacSon wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:08 pm
ABuddhist wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:52 am Christianity likewise entered the Greco-Roman portion of the Roman Empire from the culturally distant Judaean portion
I tend to think, if the proposals that the synoptic gospels post-date Marcion are true, the first sparks of Christianity would have arisen out of a [Middle] Platonic 'gnostic-docetic' and anti-Judaic-[evil]-God milieu (as Marcion's gospel is said to have been); then, those first Christian 'sparks' were subsequently Judaised [by or under the influences of Irenaeus, Tertullian and Origen, among others].
Still, Christianity - even Marcionitism and related movements - used Jewish scriptures in order to contextualize its claims and explain the world. You may find interesting the fact that Yogi Bhajan's Sikhism is a controversial mixture of Sikhism, Hinduism, and New Age thought - mixed together by a very creative and charismatic (but deceptive and manipulative) Harbhajan Singh Khalsa (known as Yogi Bhajan).
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Leucius Charinus wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:09 pm Ardashir for example certainly assisted the spread of Buddhism.
This statement confuses me, especially because you later link him with Zoroastrianism. But I am not averse to accepting the role of kings in spreading and formulating Buddhist sectarian movements. I think that Kanishka's role in the orgins of Mayahana Buddhism as a coherent and distinctive movement has been under-estimated by modern scholars about Buddhism's orgins, and the first 2 Buddhist Monarchs in China, Shi Le and Ze Rong (the later merely an overly ambitious warlord, admittedly), both operated during civil wars.
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ABuddhist wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:32 am
Leucius Charinus wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:09 pm Ardashir for example certainly assisted the spread of Buddhism.
This statement confuses me, especially because you later link him with Zoroastrianism.
Sorry about that chief. I meant to write Ashoka. (I've edited the post).
But I am not averse to accepting the role of kings in spreading and formulating Buddhist sectarian movements. I think that Kanishka's role in the orgins of Mayahana Buddhism as a coherent and distinctive movement has been under-estimated by modern scholars about Buddhism's orgins, and the first 2 Buddhist Monarchs in China, Shi Le and Ze Rong (the later merely an overly ambitious warlord, admittedly), both operated during civil wars.
My assessment is that the problem faced by these warlords is that they had just conquered vast tracts of territory and now they had to maintain it and retain it and effectively rule it. It was very expensive to station a legion of troops in every town and city so they came up with a formula. A cheaper solution. most of these guys loved their gold. Instead they established a "Holy Book" and a designated representative of the ruler's god book in each region. In the Roman empire each diocese (military division) had its vicarii and bishops.

Other kings and rulers adopted some of these "Holy Writs" as second hand products. For example:

Ottoman Empire: 1301 CE: Uthman, an Uzbek of the Ottoman clan, overthrew the Seljuk aristocracy and proclaimed himself the Sultan of Asia Minor. Mehmet conquered Constantinople 1453 CE renamed it to Istanbul – the 'city of Islam'. The empire was inspired and sustained by Islam, and Islamic institutions.

British Empire 1534 CE: King Henry VIII ("the father of the Royal Navy") established the centralised monotheistic Church of England by giving Rome the flick, appointing himself as the Supreme Head, and commissioning an English translation: the Great Bible (1535). Later versions include Bishops Bible (1568) and the KJV (1604). Pounds, shillings and pence to the King !!!.

The pattern of evidence connecting the establishment and promotion of book religions by military commanders at the zenith of their military power should thus be reasonably clear to the reader. The book religions are thus Orwellian control mechanisms. At the end of the day they are rackets - cults - spun off from the great racket of war.


CH 6: How Roman Emperors became Gods

"Gertud Bing, the director the Warburg Institute ... happened
to be in Rome with with Warburg, the founder and patron saint
of the Warburg institute, on that day, February 11, 1929, on
which Mussolini and the Pope proclaimed the reconciliation
between Italy and the Catholic Church ... There were in Rome
tremendous popular demonstrations, whether orchestrated from
above or below. Mussolini became overnight the "man of providence",
and in such an inconvenient position he remained for many years.

.... some of the most original work on the Roman imperial cult
was done around the years 1929-1934 in the ambiguous atmosphere
of the revival of emperor worship in which it was difficult to
separate the adulation from political emotion, and political
emotion from religious or superstitious excitement."

On Pagans, Jews and Christians: Arnaldo Momigliano, 1987
http://mountainman.com.au/essenes/arnal ... STIANS.htm

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Perhaps of interest to some:

The American Religions Collection (ARC) contains more than 33,600 books, as well as over 4,987 serials and approximately 1,000 linear feet of manuscripts mainly relating to 20th century nontraditional religions and splinter groups of larger religious bodies in North America. The core of the collection, assembled by J. Gordon Melton, includes major sections relating to Astrology, Buddhism, Christian Science, Evangelical Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Magick, Mormonism, the New Age Movement, Spiritualism, Theosophy, and numerous others.

History
In 1985, UCSB Library received 25,000 volumes of books and an equally large amount of manuscript and ephemeral material acquired by the Institute for the Study of American Religion (ISAR). ISAR was founded in 1969 by J. Gordon Melton, who converted his hobby of “collecting religions” into an academic interest. Melton’s personal library grew with the addition of the Clark Collection acquired from the widow of Elmer Clark (author of Small Sects in America).

The Institute’s collection held a Christian Science collection as well as primary source material on several controversial groups (the Hare Krishnas, the Unification Church, the Church of Scientology, and the Church of God). At the time, most of the materials had not been indexed in standard sources and thus the Institute began to produce reference books-directories, an encyclopedia, and bibliographies, which surveyed the area and delineated the materials assembled at the Institute for research.

Melton’s Encyclopedia of American Religions contained descriptive references to the various religious groups represented in the Institute’s library. To a considerable extent, the American Religions Collection at Special Research Collections is organized along the lines of Melton’s Encyclopedia (Special Coll. ARC BL2525 .M449 1999). That earlier library has grown into a significant research resource to serve scholars, students, and the general public. The ARC collection will also continue to help all to better understand at least one of the major trends transforming Western society in the world today.

Notable Material
Newsletters, magazines, records of experiments, and much more, are included in the Santa Barbara Parapsychology Collection. The Russell Chandler Papers, a Los Angeles Times religion columnist, are held in ARC. The Cult Awareness Network (CAN) Collection contains hundreds of religious groups, as well as internal administrative files of the former cult watchdog group. Collections related to Anthony U. Leitner (primarily Tibetan Buddhism), the Lockman Foundation (Bible translations), Religious Leaders of America, Worldwide Church of God, and Robert S. Zeiger (Old Catholic) are also represented in the collection. The largest single collection is designated as the Manuscript Files in the American Religions Collection (ARC Mss 1). This collection contains correspondence, newsletters, fliers, articles, clippings, and ephemera relating to hundreds of religious groups.

Other Holdings
To view other materials related to specific religious movements or collected by other individuals, view the following partial list of manuscript collections.
To find serials or monographs in ARC search UC Library Search
Also see ARC serials database
Additional Resources
For more detailed information on materials in ARC, contact David Gartrell, Manuscripts Curator, at gartrell@library.ucsb.edu or call (805) 893-7912.

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