The Author of the Earliest Gospel introduced himself as a collector of different messianic traditions

[Giuseppe]

Beyond if Mark or proto-Luke was the Oldest Gospel, in both the cases we have that the Oldest Gospel was written by gentilizers.

• In the case of "Mark" (author) the gentilizer was a Paulinist.

• In the case of proto-Luke, the gentilizing feature is confirmed by the Marcionite use of the Evangelion.

Under both the assumptions, the theory of Jesus as an amalgam of various historical and/or mythical figures appears to be well proved by this article of dr. Detering.

Once the basic kerygmatic - or even fictional - character of the Gospels is established, this also explains why strange experiences of déjà vu recur again and again. Those who have some familiarity with first-century history sometimes have the impression that the image of Jesus in the gospels is fused with that of other purported Messiahs and prophets of the time. Certainly this could be because at the time the gospels were written, various messianic traditions had merged together and, more than a century later, were apparently difficult to distinguish. But it could also be explained by the fact that the evangelists took great literary freedom and, in shaping their image of Jesus, had no qualms about drawing inspiration from other first-century heroic figures and transferring their traits to him.

(my translation)

Detering has listed the various Josephian figures from whose fusion the Gospel Jesus was fabricated. By so doing, he has gone very close to prove why Pilate was connected with Jesus: the name of "Pilate" was derived freely from Josephus, with the same freedom by which "Jesus ben Ananias" was used to fabricate a portion of the Passion story.

The probability is therefore very strong that the author of the Oldest Gospel thought about himself (or, which is the same: he wanted someway to introduce himself) as a collector of different messianic traditions.

Hence, while Marcion was a collector of "Pauline" epistles, I think that also the author of the Oldest Gospel was, in his own right, a collector of different messianic traditions/legends.

The impulse behind the work of collection was the same: to derive respectively an ideal image of the Apostle, and an ideal image of the Hero of the cult.

[maryhelena]

Beyond if Mark or proto-Luke was the Oldest Gospel, in both the cases we have that the Oldest Gospel was written by gentilizers.

• In the case of "Mark" (author) the gentilizer was a Paulinist.

• In the case of proto-Luke, the gentilizing feature is confirmed by the Marcionite use of the Evangelion.

Under both the assumptions, the theory of Jesus as an amalgam of various historical and/or mythical figures appears to be well proved by this article of dr. Detering.

Once the basic kerygmatic - or even fictional - character of the Gospels is established, this also explains why strange experiences of déjà vu recur again and again. Those who have some familiarity with first-century history sometimes have the impression that the image of Jesus in the gospels is fused with that of other purported Messiahs and prophets of the time. Certainly this could be because at the time the gospels were written, various messianic traditions had merged together and, more than a century later, were apparently difficult to distinguish. But it could also be explained by the fact that the evangelists took great literary freedom and, in shaping their image of Jesus, had no qualms about drawing inspiration from other first-century heroic figures and transferring their traits to him.

(my translation)

Detering has listed the various Josephian figures from whose fusion the Gospel Jesus was fabricated. By so doing, he has gone very close to prove why Pilate was connected with Jesus: the name of "Pilate" was derived freely from Josephus, with the same freedom by which "Jesus ben Ananias" was used to fabricate a portion of the Passion story.

The probability is therefore very strong that the author of the Oldest Gospel thought about himself (or, which is the same: he wanted someway to introduce himself) as a collector of different messianic traditions.
eJink that also the author of the Oldest Gospel was, in his own right, a collector of different messianic traditions/legends.

The impulse behind the work of collection was the same: to derive respectively an ideal image of the Apostle, and an ideal image of the Hero of the cult.

Two traditions - or one tradition that comprises philosophy alongside political reality under Roman occupation of Judaea.

1) a philosophical/spiritual stream that runs from Philo through the gospel of John to the Marcionites (their non-Jewish Jesus and two gods in heaven)
2) an historical stream that runs through the TF of Slavonic Josephus through Matthew and Luke to the TF in the Josephan Antiquities.

Keeping in mind that philosophy has to have a relevance to physical reality if it is to have value for living on terra-firma. Yep, ride the philosophical highway with Paul - but never forgetting that our feet are placed upon sacred ground. Don't ever place all ones 'eggs' in a Pauline basket - flying off into the philosophical sunset with Paul will miss the morning light.

Body and Mind - like that old song - Love and marriage - go together like a horse and carriage....

[Giuseppe]

Note that this may explain why the Pagan polemists saw in the wrong place, by identifying Jesus with someone slain by Pilate etc. They were obliged to do so because there were really historical reports on some rebels crucified by Pilate, only they didn't realize the relation of cause-effect: the Josephian figure X didn't originate the Gospel Jesus, it was the first of the evangelists that used all them (and in particular a rebel historically connected with Pilate) as source material.

[maryhelena]

Note that this may explain why the Pagan polemists saw in the wrong place, by identifying Jesus with someone slain by Pilate etc. They were obliged to do so because there were really historical reports on some rebels crucified by Pilate, only they didn't realize the relation of cause-effect: the Josephian figure X didn't originate the Gospel Jesus, it was the first of the evangelists that used all them (and in particular a rebel historically connected with Pilate) as source material.

The only history available of a Roman agent killing/beheading/crucifixing a King of the Jews, Antigonus, was Marc Antony in 37 b.c. An historical event remembered years later in the time of Pilate and Tiberius and used, remembered, in the gospel crucifixion stories. Stories set under Roman occupation of Judaea.