No, of course you can also speculate. But the purpose of a forum is to share ideas, right? That's why I'm explaining to you why you are only speculating.davidmartin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:00 am whaaat, i'm only allowed to believe what the epistles say?
seems kind of limiting, is this christianforum.com?
I did not say that.so the apostle is preaching only something unique merely in it's acceptance of gentiles?
that's the big revelation, not all the other stuff he comes out with
The good news is the death and resurrection of the servant / Jesus who sacrificed himself to save humanity from Adam's sin.
But someone has to announce this good news because apparently no one knows about it except the apostles since it's hidden in the scriptures and transmitted trough surnaturel visions.
Paul's mission is to announce his gospel to the Gentiles. With the inconveniences that this implies (the law, dietary impurities, circumcision).
And this is where the divergences with Jerusalem comes from, since the others are only concerned with the Jews.
This is what Paul says and I do not see why I should question the conflicts he has with the apostles concerning the Gentiles in favor of other doctrinal differences that they never mention in his letters. Perhaps I am too pragmatic. Sorry.
Again and again, i never said that there are no disagreements.All perfectly in agreement with the existing leadership (who he is not taught by but acts independently of)
and when he falls out with the other apostles constantly, it has nothing to do with disagreements over the contents of his gospel?
The doctrinal differences with others come from the application of the law to the Gentiles. At least that is what is written.
Galatians 3 for example:
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you?
2 Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?
And Galatians 2 :
11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
Yes I think it's better to stop here indeed. You absolutely need the Jesus of Paul to join the Jesus of the Gospels. So it is a waste of time.i feel like the bending over backwards to accomodate all the inconsistencies means never getting past first base in figuring anything out lol
oh well, i tried. never mind
And for that you speculate and speculate again.
Without any irony, i enjoyed this discussion even though it was pointless like most discussions on this forum.