Investigating the roots of western civilization (ye olde BC&H forum of IIDB lives on...)
https://earlywritings.com/forum/
Which sounds similar to the example of Horsfall's use of the criterion as shown us by Andrew Criddle: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10524 .... On which, see my reply: viewtopic.php?p=151120#p151120
Neil, feel free to find the answers for yourself by simply going to the Board index, select Nowhere in particular, and then click on the topic Polemic re Carrier Crag etc.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:10 amHoo boy oh boy. You just listed points that can be used to assess the relative values of hypotheses to explain "given historical facts". It is those "historical facts" that are the point of question here. How do we know what is a "historical fact"? I suppose we could say a historical fact is something given in the revelation of the Bible. You know, like the resurrection. How do you explain the resurrection, that given historical fact, huh?
(But do give the sources for your quotations and claims. Like the source of the quote, and which Craig you are quoting, and the source for your assertion that I am "a mythicist", whatever that's supposed to mean......)
Well then, let's see if I can you can get you to clarify your position.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:10 am
(But do give the sources for your quotations and claims. Like the source of the quote, and which Craig you are quoting, and the source for your assertion that I am "a mythicist", whatever that's supposed to mean......)
What if I hold neither viewpoint but rather recognize IC XC as a literary creation. Not historical, just fiction.John T wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:41 amWell then, let's see if I can you can get you to clarify your position.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:10 am
(But do give the sources for your quotations and claims. Like the source of the quote, and which Craig you are quoting, and the source for your assertion that I am "a mythicist", whatever that's supposed to mean......)
A mythicist is someone that doesn't believe Jesus was a historical figure but rather a myth. Specifically, a religious leader named Jesus as depicted in the New Testament never existed. By extension, since Jesus did not exist, then Pontius Pilate could not have him crucified for his religious beliefs. Christianity is all based on a religious myth.
You know, just like atheism.
Sincerely,
John T
The source Craig quotes in that video actually listed 7 points yet Craig conveniently omits 2 of them. The source quoted confirms that the points have nothing to do with establishing "historical facts" at all -- as you yourself imply in your own description.John T wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:53 amNeil, feel free to find the answers for yourself by simply going to the Board index, select Nowhere in particular, and then click on the topic Polemic re Carrier Crag etc.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:10 amHoo boy oh boy. You just listed points that can be used to assess the relative values of hypotheses to explain "given historical facts". It is those "historical facts" that are the point of question here. How do we know what is a "historical fact"? I suppose we could say a historical fact is something given in the revelation of the Bible. You know, like the resurrection. How do you explain the resurrection, that given historical fact, huh?
(But do give the sources for your quotations and claims. Like the source of the quote, and which Craig you are quoting, and the source for your assertion that I am "a mythicist", whatever that's supposed to mean......)
John T, feel free to find the answers for yourself by simply going to my blog and looking for the headings explaining my viewpoints.John T wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:41 am Well then, let's see if I can you can get you to clarify your position.
A mythicist is someone that doesn't believe Jesus was a historical figure but rather a myth. Specifically, a religious leader named Jesus as depicted in the New Testament never existed. By extension, since Jesus did not exist, then Pontius Pilate could not have him crucified for his religious beliefs. Christianity is all based on a religious myth.
You know, just like atheism.
Sincerely,
John T
I'm not sure why you can not give a clear and straightforward answer to the basic question if you are or have ever been a mythicist. Still, be as that may, I went to your blog and I can't find where you declared your understanding or approval/disapproval regarding the religious belief of mythicism. Perhaps you would be so kind to provide a specific link from your very own blog? Better yet, cut and paste that portion here for all of us with inquiring minds.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:57 amJohn T, feel free to find the answers for yourself by simply going to my blog and looking for the headings explaining my viewpoints.John T wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:41 am Well then, let's see if I can you can get you to clarify your position.
A mythicist is someone that doesn't believe Jesus was a historical figure but rather a myth. Specifically, a religious leader named Jesus as depicted in the New Testament never existed. By extension, since Jesus did not exist, then Pontius Pilate could not have him crucified for his religious beliefs. Christianity is all based on a religious myth.
You know, just like atheism.
Sincerely,
John T
You have never given me a straight answer to any query of mine so I am treating you the way you treat me.John T wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:09 pmI'm not sure why you can not give a clear and straightforward answer to the basic question if you are or have ever been a mythicist. Still, be as that may, I went to your blog and I can't find where you declared your understanding or approval/disapproval regarding the religious belief of mythicism. Perhaps you would be so kind to provide a specific link from your very own blog? Better yet, cut and paste that portion here for all of us with inquiring minds.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:57 amJohn T, feel free to find the answers for yourself by simply going to my blog and looking for the headings explaining my viewpoints.John T wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:41 am Well then, let's see if I can you can get you to clarify your position.
A mythicist is someone that doesn't believe Jesus was a historical figure but rather a myth. Specifically, a religious leader named Jesus as depicted in the New Testament never existed. By extension, since Jesus did not exist, then Pontius Pilate could not have him crucified for his religious beliefs. Christianity is all based on a religious myth.
You know, just like atheism.
Sincerely,
John T
Thank you in advance.
John T
As usual, your non-answer, answer, is clearly recognized for what it is, a dodge. Likewise, your shameless plug and self-aggrandizement is off putting.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:27 pm I nearly forgot -- another source that is upcoming within a few days will be a little podcast by Tim and myself addressing that question of mythicism. Watch that space.
