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Der Dialog des Adamantius
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_recta_in_Deum_fide
By Origen, Rufinus (of Aquileia), Willem Hendrik Sande Bakhuyzen · 1901
https://www.google.com/books/edition/De ... YAAJ?hl=en
ChatGpt provideded this translation of the section cited:
Ad. d.: Whoever does not receive the words of the Apostle that are spoken spiritually must necessarily deviate from the truth. For the Apostle designates as carnal and shameful acts those who engage in carnal desires, whom he also calls carnal because he refers to those who either act or understand spiritually as spiritual. And if it seems fitting, I read to you the Apostle himself clearly stating that those who do not conduct themselves faithfully but engage in carnal acts are called carnal. In fact, he says, "So that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who walk according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who walk according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit." For the wisdom of the flesh is hostile to God, but the wisdom of the Spirit is life and peace. But you are not in the flesh; you are in the Spirit. Tell me, then, if those to whom these things were written were not in the flesh, that is, if they did not live in the body, to whom does he say, "But you are not in the flesh; you are in the Spirit"? And he says again about others, "I gave you milk to drink, not solid food, for you were not yet ready; indeed, you are still of the flesh." For when there are contentions and divisions among you, are you not of the flesh? And again, "For while you were living according to the flesh, you were performing the deeds of the body, but now you are not in the flesh; you are in the Spirit." All these things clearly show that he calls the carnal nature and wicked conduct carnal, just as he does about those
And a human being. For who is ignorant that even if they called themselves Paul or Apollos, nevertheless they were no less human by nature? Or is it as it is written: "When you were in the flesh, and then, as long as you were in substance, you were not without flesh?" This is what he said, that the flesh was the fleshly and corruptible way of life, which rightly excludes from hope, as it cannot inherit the kingdom of God. But if they are given the flesh of the body, as they think, and are unable to attain to hope, what need is there for baptism and cleansing? For the Apostle says, "But you were washed, but you were sanctified." Let them answer what is the thing that is being washed and sanctified. But since the listeners of Megathius are also present, for this reason I am compelled to present the apostolic teaching from them, making my argument to both parties.
Παῦλος γοῦν Γαλάταις γράφων οὕτως ἔφη ·
ὃ δὲ νῦν ζῶ ἐν σαρκὶ
ἐν πίστει ζῶ τῇ
τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀγαπήσαντός με·
So, Paul, writing to the Galatians, said,
"But I live in the flesh,
I live by faith in
the Son of God who loved me
and gave Himself for me."
καὶ πάλιν · τῶν δ᾽ ἄλλων εἰκῆ κόπους μοι μηδεὶς παρεχέσθω.
ἐγὼ γὰρ τὰ στίγματα τοῦ Ἰησοῦ ἐν τῷ σώματί μου βαστάζω .
And again, "But let no one trouble me with the other things,
for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus."
φέρε τοίνυν , ἴδωμεν τί δηλοῦσιν αὗται αἱ φωναί·
ὃ ζῶ , φησίν, ἐν σαρκί , ἐν πίστει ζῶ.
Therefore, let us see what these words indicate.
"I live," he says, "in the flesh, I live by faith."
δῆλον οὖν ὅτι τῆς πίστεως ἡ ζωὴ ἐν τῇ σαρκί ἐστιν ·
τὰ στίγματα τοῦ Χριστοῦ, δι᾿ ὧν ἐστιν ἡμῖν ἡ σωτηρία , τὸ σῶμα βαστάζει.
It is evident, therefore, that life in the flesh is by faith.
The marks of Christ, through which our salvation comes, bear them in the body.
So, how is it that the one who bears the marks of salvation and possesses the life of faith is not saved according to them? For is it of no benefit to possess the life of faith and the marks of Jesus, or if salvation exists through this, is the one being saved the flesh? And it is agreed that these things exist. Writing to the Corinthians, he said, "Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Certainly not! For if the bodies are members of Christ, shall I then destroy the members of Christ or save the flesh?"
Mar: He says "body," not "flesh."
Ad: It is shown by what is being brought forth. For do you not know, he says, that the one joined to a prostitute is one body with her? For they will be, he says...