- Kunigunde has advanced the suspicion that Klinghardt, not being able to prove the Marcionite priority over Luke (too much 'Jewish' sounds the proto-Luke), has given up to the assumption that proto-Luke was written by Marcion, to conclude rather that the Evangelion was only adopted by Marcion.
Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 1:23 am Klinghardt knows this and tries to solve this problem in such a way that the text was not written by Marcion, but only used. But then it would be obvious that the text was written by a harmonizer who kept Paul on a short leash and one would wonder why Marcion didn't get that.
- From the other hand, Vinzent, with that (now that more and more I think about it) very stupid article 'Marcion the Jew', tries to solve the same problem by judaizing even only partially Marcion, by making him a son of a Judaizer et similia. (in this, following the obtusity of Secret Alias).
I wonder: why is not the truth in the middle?
The Gnostic Marcion derived from radical gentilizers the proto-Luke, but he added things very "marcionite" to be said, things of which none better candidate can be shown, apart Marcion himself. For a list of these items:
the parable of wineskins;
the descent from above;
the scandalized John the Baptist;
the critical distance from John's disciples;
the Father's Prayer
the logion on the fire thrown on the earth
the love for sinners and gluttons
the sympathy for Samaritans
the mention of Pilate
the god only being called 'the Good'
the temptation of Jesus by introducing "there out" not-existent mother and brothers
the recognition only by demons (and possibly not even by them!)
the conflict with Moses and Elijah on the Tabor
the Son of Man has no place to lay his head since he is pure spirit, without a body
the parable of the two trees
the 'tu dices, ego non', spoken by Jesus before the high priests and Pilate
the origin of the authority of Jesus being unknown, differently from the origin of the authority of the Baptist being too much known (from men or from demiurge, in both cases the men are known, and the demiurge is known).