Secret Alias wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 5:56 am
Why do I want this to be the case? Because my mother is Jewish? Really? How many Jews want Hitler to be Jewish because they are Jewish?
But here goes anyway.
1. Marcion's two powers = Philo's two powers. Philo was the face of Judaism in Alexandria.
Really? How exactly is that the case? How many gazillion other examples of "two powers" exist around that time?
2. As Trobisch noted to me at our German dinner, expertise on the Law implies Jewishness. (like American X the movie)
Really? How exactly is that the case? I and millions of others must be Jewish as well then
3. His understanding of Jesus as a "phantasma" comes from Josephus's understanding of the mysterious "man" who wrestles with Jacob.
Really? How exactly is that the case? Esau pokes Jacob up the ass, errr hip socket and he magically becomes the IS of *Ev?
4. the very idea of a narrative where the god who gave the ten commandments comes "unknown" to Jews (who are supposed to know him). Has a Jesus of Montreal feel to it.
Really? What gives you that idea?
5. the original Jewish tradition held that God only gave the ten commandments. Moses gave the rest. To argue against Moses's laws in favor of "god-given commandments" would make the Jew who thought this seem "anti-Jewish."
Really? And where in *Ev or "Marcion" do we have any of this?
6. there were Jews who were against the building of permanent physical buildings to "house" god. They were called Dositheans. Christianity allegedly spawned from Dositheus according to more than one ancient source (or at least heretical Christianity).
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
7. there were Jews who opposed the slaughter of animals (based on 5 above).
I'm starting to feel like I'm in the thread called "Jesus exists because"
8. there were those who argued that circumcision was not required because of 5.
Can you quote me the specifics from *Ev / Marcion please? Because i have a neat quote from Thomas - who you likely also label "Jewish", I presume?
9. there is no requirement for rest on the Sabbath in its short form (the form that was likely originally written on the replica memorials in the various houses of worship) Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
So?
10. the underlying supposition would be that Marcionism was partial to the ten commandments and viewed these as "god given" but juxtaposed the sacredness of these commandments with those given on only the authority of Moses.
Do you need more? That was written in a minute.
You hand out mere assertions without substantiating any of them. I could easily mimic you and claim the exact opposite of what you do, based on the exact same nothing that you provide. At least of half of these 10 is completely irrelevant