KJV Tampering as a precursor to Sinaiaticus Fraud

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KJV Tampering as a precursor to Sinaiaticus Fraud

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The AV 1611 KJV has been tampered with to both major and minor extents, which adds to it's problems. It's relatively easy to see what has been tampered with, because by the King James I Rules Of Translation, it was based on the Bishop's bible.
  1. The ordinary Bible read in the Church, commonly called the Bishops Bible, to be followed, and as little altered as the Truth of the original will permit.
The Bishop's bible was one of the family of Tyndale bibles, and so it's easy to compare the good Tyndale bibles to the later KJV. We are discussing deliberate tampering - pious frauds as Sir Issac Newton called them - not TR errors.

Although they pale in comparison to the Wescott and Hort wholesale re-engineering, we collect some of them here for reference. It's easy enough to make a list and format it up as a commentary that can be read alongside a KJV as corrections. KJV is the reference because of versification but there is no need to remain ignorant of its errors and tampering.

Additionally, knowing the errors and tamperings in the KJV is a useful weapon in the fight against the pernicious modern heresy known as "King James Onlyism" KJOnlyism.

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Major KJV Tampering

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ebion wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:02 pm Additionally, knowing the errors and tamperings in the KJV is a useful weapon in the fight against the pernicious modern heresy known as "King James Onlyism".
The most major tampering in the KJV was by King James himself. When King James commissioned the King James Version, he decreed 15 principles of translation which were instituted by Richard Bancroft, the bishop of London in 1604. The 3rd rule was:
3. The Old Ecclesiastical Words to be kept, viz. the Word Church not to be translated Congregation et. cetera.
Rule 3 is a travesty of Tyndale's work. Whilst running and hiding and fleeing the agents of a sadistic English Lord Chancellor who wanted him dead, he still took the time to write a book back at the sadist defending his translation of ekklesia as "Congregation" not "the Word Church". The book explains in detail Tyndales's reasons for the critical choices of translation he made of the "et. cetera" words. These changes are major and systematic, and change the whole flavour of the KJV relative to a real Tyndale bible like Matthew's, which nonetheless are the root of the bibles that the KJV was made from (rules 1 and 14).

The top 5 of the "et. cetera" words that Tyndale translated differently from what King James I decreed are:
  • He translated ekklesia as congregation, not church. (Luther avoided the word Kirche, preferring instead Gemeinde.)
  • He translated presbuteros as elder, not priest.
  • He translated metanoeo as repent, not do penance.
  • He translated exomologeo as acknowledge, rather than do confession.
  • He translated agape as love, not charity.
Which gives a very different flavour to reading a Tyndale Matthew's bible from a KJV, and makes the KJV, which was explicitly based on a Tyndale bible, a bible that has been altered to give the text a pro-ecclesiastical direction. The first 4 of those 5 words are explicitly ecclesiastical support for the Church.

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KJV Notes exhaustive-listing-marginal-notes-1611-edition

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Knowing the errors and choices made in the KJV is a useful weapon in the fight against the pernicious modern heresy known as "King James Onlyism". Starting in the late 1800s, the Bible Societies intentionall stripped out the Notes to the Reader preface, and the footnotes. The preface said explicitly that the KJV was not God's word, just their best effort, and footnotes explained in passing some of the choices that were made.

From notes-1611-edition-king-james-bible we have formatted up the NT footnotes, and have attached the full set NT+OT in TSV.

We could use these to make a Commentary to be read alongside the bible.


ChapterVerse Marginal Note
Matt. 1:11 Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren - some read, Josias begat Jakim, and Jakim begat Jechonias
Matt. 1:23 they shall call his name - Or, his name shall be called
Matt. 2:6 rule - Or, feed
Matt. 2:11 presented - Or, offered
Matt. 3:8 meet for repentance - Or, answerable to amendment of life
Matt. 4:12 cast - Or, delivered up
Matt. 5:11 falsely - Gr. lying
Matt. 5:15 a bushel - [symbol in wrong place in 1611] the word in the original signifieth a measure containing about a pint less than a peck
Matt. 5:21 by them - Or, to them
Matt. 5:29 offend thee - Or, do cause thee to offend
Matt. 6:1 of - Or, with
Matt. 6:2 do not sound a trumpet - Or, cause not a trumpet to be sounded
Matt. 9:16 new cloth - Or, raw, or unwrought cloth
Matt. 9:17 bottles - Or, sacks of skin, or, leather
Matt. 9:26 the fame hereof - Or, this fame
Matt. 9:36 fainted, and were scattered abroad - Or, were tired and lay down
Matt. 10:9 Provide - Or, get
Matt. 10:16 harmless - Or, simple
Matt. 10:23 have gone - Or, end or finish
Matt. 10:29 farthing? - It is in value half penny farthing, in the original, as being the tenth part of the Roman penny
Matt. 11:12 suffereth violence - Or, is gotten by force, and they that thrust men
Matt. 12:14 held a counsel - Or, took counsel
Matt. 13:33 measures - the word in the Greek is a measure containing about a peck and an half, wanting little more then a pint
Matt. 13:41 things that offend - Or, scandals
Matt. 14:2 do show forth themselves in him - Or, are wrought by him
Matt. 14:30 boisterous - Or, strong
Matt. 17:24 tribute money - called in the original Didrachma, being in value fifteen pence
Matt. 17:27 a piece of money - Or, a stater. It is half an ounce of silver, in value two shillings six pence, after five shillings the ounce
Matt. 18:24 talents - a talent is 750 ounces of silver, which after five shillings the ounce is 187.li 10.s.
Matt. 18:26 worshipped him - Or, besought him
Matt. 18:28 pence - the Roman penny is the eighth part of an ounce, which after 5. shillings the ounce is 7.d. ob.
Matt. 20:2 penny - the Roman penny is the eighth part of an ounce, which after five shillings the ounce, is seven pence halfpenny
Matt. 20:12 have wrought but one hour - Or, have continued one hour only
Matt. 22:19 penny - in value seven pence halfpenny, (Matt. 20:2)
Matt. 22:20 superscription? - Or, inscription
Matt. 23:18 guilty - Or, a debtOr, or bound
Matt. 24:31 with a great sound of a trumpet - Or, with a Trumpet and a great voice
Matt. 24:51 cut him asunder - Or, cut him off
Matt. 25:8 gone out - Or, going out
Matt. 25:15 talents - a talent is 187. pound 10. Shillings, (Matt. 18:24)
Matt. 26:26 blessed it - Many Greek copies have, gave thanks
Matt. 26:30 hymn - Or, psalm
Matt. 26:67 the palms - Or, rods
Matt. 27:9 whom they of the children of Israel did value - Or, whom they bought of the children of Israel
Matt. 27:27 common hall - Or, governors house
Matt. 28:2 was - Or, had been
Mark 1:4 for - Or, unto
Mark 1:10 opened - Or, cloven, or rent
Mark 1:34 to speak, because they knew him - Or, to say that they knew him
Mark 2:14 at the receipt of Custom - Or, at the place where the Custom was received
Mark 2:21 new - Or, raw, or unwrought
Mark 3:5 hardness - Or, blindness
Mark 3:10 pressed - Or, rushed
Mark 3:19 into an house - Or, home
Mark 3:21 friends - Or, kinsmen
Mark 4:21 bushel - The word, in the original, signifieth a less measure as (Matt. 5:15)
Mark 4:29 brought forth - Or, ripe
Mark 6:8 money - the word signifieth a piece of brass money, in value somewhat less than a farthing, mat. 10.9 but here it is taken in general for money
Mark 6:19 a quarrel - Or, an inward grudge
Mark 6:20 observed him - Or, kept him or saved him
Mark 6:27 an executioner - Or, one of his guard
Mark 6:37 pennyworth - the Rom. penny is sevenpence halfpenny as (Matt. 18:28)
Mark 6:45 unto Bethsaida - Or, over against Bethsaida
Mark 6:56 him - Or, it
Mark 7:2 defiled - Or, common
Mark 7:3 oft - Or, diligently, in the Original, with the fist, Theophylact, up to the elbow
Mark 7:4 pots - Or, beds
Mark 7:4 tables - Sextarius, is about a pint and an half
Mark 7:9 reject - Or, frustrate
Mark 7:26 Greek - Or, Gentile
Mark 9:16 with them? - Or, among yourselves
Mark 9:18 teareth him - Or, dasheth him
Mark 9:43 offend thee - Or, cause thee to offend
Mark 9:47 offend thee - Or, cause thee to offend
Mark 10:42 are accompted - Or, think good
Mark 10:52 made thee whole - Or, saved thee
Mark 11:22 Have faith in God - Or, have the faith of God
Mark 11:29 question - Or, thing
Mark 12:15 penny - Valuing of our money seven pence halfpenny, as (Matt. 18:28)
Mark 12:41 money - A piece of brass money, see (Matt. 10:9)
Mark 12:42 mites - It is the seventh part of one piece of that brass money
Mark 13:8 sorrows - The word in the original, importeth, the pains of a woman in travail
Mark 14:3 spikenard - Or, pure nard, or liquid nard
Mark 14:5 See (Matt. 18:28)
Mark 14:12 killed - Or, sacrificed
Mark 14:26 hymn - Or, psalm
Mark 14:72 he wept - Or, he wept abundantly, or he began to wept [sic]
Mark 16:14 at meat - Or, together
Luke 1:17 to - Or, by
Luke 1:28 highly favored - Or, graciously accepted, or much graced, see verse 30
Luke 1:45 that believed, for there - Or, which believed, that there
Luke 1:65 sayings - Or, things
Luke 1:77 by - Or, for
Luke 1:78 tender mercy - Or, bowels of the mercy
Luke 1:87 day spring - Or, sun rising, or branch, Zac. 3.8 esay 11.1 malach. 4.2. (Num. 24:17)
Luke 2:1 taxed - Or, enrolled
Luke 2:8 watch - Or, the night watches
Luke 2:38 Jerusalem - Or, Israel
Luke 2:52 stature - Or, age
Luke 3:8 worthy - Or, meet for
Luke 3:14 Do violence to no man - Or, put no man in fear
Luke 3:14 wages - Or, allowance
Luke 3:15 in expectation - Or, in suspense
Luke 3:15 mused - Or, reasoned or debated
Luke 4:7 worship me - Or, fall down before me
Luke 4:29 brow - Or, edge
Luke 4:34 Let us alone - Or, away
Luke 4:41 to speak, for they knew that he was Christ - Or, to say that they knew him to be Christ
Luke 6:40 that is perfect shall be as his master - Or, shall be perfected as his master
Luke 7:14 bier - Or, coffin
Luke 7:30 rejected - Or, frustrated
Luke 7:30 against themselves - Or, within themselves
Luke 7:41 pence - See (Matt. 18:28)
Luke 8:18 seemeth to have - Or, thinketh that he hath
Luke 9:28 sayings - Or, things
Luke 10:22 All these - Many ancient copies add these words, and turning to his Disciples he said
Luke 10:35 pence - See (Matt. 20:2)
Luke 11:3 day by day - Or, for the day
Luke 11:6 in his journey - Or, out of his way
Luke 11:33 bushell - See (Matt. 5:15)
Luke 11:41 as you have - Or, as you are able
Luke 11:52 hindered - Or, forbade
Luke 12:6 farthing - See (Matt. 10:29)
Luke 12:20 thy soul shall be required - Gr. do they require thy soul
Luke 12:29 neither be ye of doubtful mind - Or, live not in careful suspense
Luke 12:46 cut him in sunder - Or, cut him off
Luke 12:50 straitened - Or, pained
Luke 12:59 mite - See Mar. 12.42
Luke 13:4 sinners - Or, debtors
Luke 13:21 measures - See (Matt. 13:33)
Luke 15:8 pieces of silver - Drachma here translated a piece of silver, is the eighth part of an ounce, which cometh to seven pence half penny, and is equal to the Roman penny, (Matt. 18:28)
Luke 16:6 measures - the word Batus in the original containeth nine gallons 3. quarts
Luke 16:7 measures - the word here interpreted a measure, in the original containeth about fourteen bushels and a pottle
Luke 16:9 Mammon - Or, riches
Luke 16:11 Mammon - Or, riches
Luke 17:20 with observation - Or, with outward shew
Luke 17:21 within you - Or, among you
Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left - This 36. verse is wanting in most of the Greek copies
Luke 18:9 that they were righteous - Or, as being righteous
Luke 19:13 pounds - Mina here translated a pound, is twelve ounces and an half, which according to five shillings the ounce, is 3. pounds two shillings sixpence
Luke 19:48 very attentive - Or, hanged on him
Luke 20:21 truly - Or, of a truth
Luke 20:24 penny - See (Matt. 18:28)
Luke 21:2 mites - See Mark 12:42
Luke 22:6 in the absence of the multitude - Or, without tumult
Luke 22:15 With desire I have desired - Or, I have heartily desired
Luke 22:42 willing, remove - Gr. willing to remove
Luke 23:24 gave sentence - Or, assented
Luke 23:33 Calvary - Or, the place of a skull
Luke 23:44 earth - Or, land
Luke 24:5 the living - Or, him that liveth
Luke 24:31 vanished out of their sight - Or, ceased to be seen of them
John 1:12 power - Or, the right or privilege
John 1:21 that Prophet? - Or, a Prophet
John 1:29 taketh away - Or, beareth
John 1:38 dwellest - Or, abidest
John 1:39 about the tenth hour - That was two hours before night
John 1:41 the Christ - Or, the anointed
John 1:42 a stone - Or, Peter
John 3:3 again - Or, from above
John 3:7 again - Or, from above
John 3:20 reproved - Or, discovered
John 3:27 receive - Or, take unto himself
John 4:46 nobleman - Or, courtier, or ruler
John 5:2 market - Or, gate
John 5:13 a multitude being in that - Or, from the multitude that was
John 6:27 Labour not - Or, work not
John 7:15 letters - Or, learning
John 7:23 that the Law of Moses should not be broken - Or, without breaking the Law of Moses
John 7:35 Gentiles - Or, Greeks
John 7:50 to Jesus - Gr. to him
John 9:6 anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay - Or, spread the clay upon the eyes of the blind man
John 9:34 cast him out - Or, excommunicated him
John 10:24 make us to doubt? - Or, hold us in suspense
John 11:18 about fifteen furlongs - that is, about two miles
John 11:33 was troubled - Gr. He troubled himself
John 13:19 Now - Or, From henceforth
John 13:26 sop - Or, morsel
John 14:18 comfortless - Or, orphans
John 15:5 without me - Or, severed from me
John 15:22 cloke - Or, excuse
John 16:8 reprove - Or, convince
John 16:25 proverbs - Or, parables
John 16:25 proverbs - Or, parables
John 16:29 proverb - Or, parable
John 16:32 his own - Or, his own home
John 17:19 sanctified through the truth - Or, truly sanctified
John 18:13 year - And Annas sent Christ bound unto Caiaphas the high priest, ver. 24
John 18:22 with the palm - Or, with a rod
John 18:28 the hall of judgment - Or, Pilats house
John 19:23 woven - Or, wrought
John 19:25 Cleophas - Or, Clopas
John 21:5 Children - Or, Sirs
Acts 1:4 being assembled together with them - Or, eating together with them
Acts 1:8 power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you - Or, the power of the holy Ghost coming upon you
Acts 1:20 bishoprick - Or, office, or, charge
Acts 2:6 when this was noised - Gr. When this voice was made
Acts 2:6 confounded - Or, troubled in mind
Acts 2:29 let me - Or, I may
Acts 2:46 from house to house - Or, at home
Acts 3:15 Prince - Or, author
Acts 4:1 captain - Or, ruler
Acts 5:3 to lie - Or, to deceive
Acts 5:15 into the streets - Or, in every street
Acts 5:17 indignation - Or, envy
Acts 5:36 obeyed - Or, believed
Acts 6:14 Customs - Or, rites
Acts 7:20 exceeding fair - Or, fair to God
Acts 7:37 like unto me - Or, as myself
Acts 9:38 delay - Or, be grieved
Acts 11:26 with the Church - Or, in the Church
Acts 12:1 stretched - Or, began
Acts 12:5 prayer was made without ceasing - Or, instant and earnest prayer was made
Acts 12:13 to hearken - Or, to ask who was there
Acts 12:20 was highly displeased - Or, bare an hostile mind intending war
Acts 12:20 the kings chaberlaine - Gr. that was over the kings bedchamber
Acts 12:25 ministry - Or, charge, Acts 11.29, 30
Acts 13:1 brought up with Herod - Or, Herods foster brother
Acts 13:18 suffered - Gr. [Greek characters] as a nurse beareth or feedeth her child, (Deut. 1:31). 2. Macc 7.27. according to the Sept. and so Chrysost.
Acts 13:34 mercies - Gr. [Greek characters] holy or just things, which word the Sept. both in the place of Esai 55.3. and in many others, use for that which is in the Hebrew, Mercies
Acts 13:36 own generation by the will of God - Or, after he had in his own age served the will of God
Acts 13:42 the next Sabbath - Or, in the week between, or in the Sabbath between
Acts 15:31 consolation - Or, exhortation
Acts 16:12 the chief - Or, the first
Acts 16:16 of divination - Or, of Python
Acts 16:19 marketplace - Or, court
Acts 17:16 wholly given to idolatry - Or, full of idols
Acts 17:18 babbler - Or, base fellow
Acts 17:19 Areopagus - Or, Mars hill. It was the highest court in Athens
Acts 17:22 Mars hill - Or, the court of the Areopagites
Acts 17:23 devotions - Or, gods that you worship, (2Thess. 2:4)
Acts 17:31 hath given assurance - Or, offered faith
Acts 18:11 continued - Or, sat there
Acts 19:35 a worshipper - Gr. the temple keeper
Acts 19:38 the law is open - Or, the Court days are kept
Acts 19:39 lawful - Or, ordinary
Acts 20:23 abide me - Or, wait for me
Acts 22:29 examined him - Or, tortured him
Acts 23:12 under a curse - Or, with an oath of execration
Acts 25:6 more then ten days - Or, as some copies read, no more than eight or ten days
Acts 25:20 I doubted of such manner of questions - Or, I was doubtful how to enquire hereof
Acts 25:21 hearing - Or, judgment
Acts 27:7 Crete - Or, Candy
Acts 27:10 hurt - Or, injury
Acts 27:14 arose - Or, beat
Acts 27:40 taken up the anchors, they committed themselves unto the sea - Or, cut the anchors, they left them in the sea, etc.
Rom. 1:4 declared - Gr. determined
Rom. 1:5 for obedience to the faith - Or, to the obedience of faith
Rom. 1:9 with my spirit - Or, in my spirit
Rom. 1:12 with you - Or, in you
Rom. 1:13 among you - Or, in you
Rom. 1:19 in them - Or, to them
Rom. 1:20 so that they are - Or, that they may be
Rom. 1:28 to retain - Or, to acknowledge
Rom. 1:28 a reprobate mind - Or, a mind void of judgment
Rom. 1:31 without natural - Or, unsociable
Rom. 1:32 have pleasure in them - Or, consent with them
Rom. 2:9 Gentile - Gr. Greek
Rom. 2:10 Gentile - Gr. Greek
Rom. 2:15 their conscience also bearing witness - Or, the conscience witnessing with them
Rom. 2:15 the meanwhile - Or, between themselves
Rom. 2:18 approves the things that are more excellent - Or, triest the things that differ
Rom. 3:9 proved - Gr. charged
Rom. 3:19 guilty before God - Or, subject to the judgment of God
Rom. 3:25 set forth - Or, foreordained
Rom. 3:25 remission - Or, passing over
Rom. 4:17 before him - Or, like unto him
Rom. 5:6 in due time - Or, according to the time
Rom. 5:12 for that - Or, in whom
Rom. 5:17 by one mans offence - Or, by one offence
Rom. 5:18 by the offence of one - Or, by one offence
Rom. 5:18 righteousness of one - Or, by one righteousness
Rom. 6:3 were - Or, are
Rom. 6:7 freed - Gr. justified
Rom. 6:13 instruments - Gr. arms, or weapons
Rom. 6:17 which was delivered you - Gr. whereto ye were delivered
Rom. 6:20 from righteousness - Gr. to righteousness
Rom. 7:5 motions - Gr. passions
Rom. 7:6 that being dead wherein - Or, being dead to that
Rom. 7:7 lust - Or, concupiscence
Rom. 7:15 allow - Gr. know
Rom. 7:24 the body of this death - Or, this body of death
Rom. 8:3 for sin - Or, by a sacrifice for sin
Rom. 8:6 to be carnally minded - Gr. the minding of the flesh
Rom. 8:6 to be spiritually minded - Gr. the minding of the spirit
Rom. 8:7 the carnal mind - Gr. the minding of the flesh
Rom. 8:11 by his spirit - Or, because of his spirit
Rom. 8:22 the whole creation - Or, every creature
Rom. 8:27 because - Or, that
Rom. 9:3 accursed - Or, separated
Rom. 9:4 covenants - Or, testaments
Rom. 9:12 elder - Or, greater
Rom. 9:12 younger - Or, lesser
Rom. 9:20 repliest against God? - Or, answereth again, or disputest with God?
Rom. 9:22 fitted - Or, made up
Rom. 9:28 the work - Or, the account
Rom. 9:33 ashamed - or confounded
Rom. 10:16 report? - Or, preaching. Gr. the hearing of us
Rom. 11:7 blinded - Or, hardened
Rom. 11:8 slumber - Or, remorse
Rom. 11:12 diminishing - Or, decay, or loss
Rom. 11:17 among them - Or, for them
Rom. 11:25 blindness - Or, hardness
Rom. 11:30 believed - Or, obeyed
Rom. 11:31 believed - Or, obeyed
Rom. 11:32 concluded them all - Or, shut them all up together
Rom. 11:36 whom - Gr. him
Rom. 12:3 soberly - Gr. to sobriety
Rom. 12:8 giveth - Or, imparteth
Rom. 12:8 with simplicity - Or, liberally
Rom. 12:10 with brotherly love - Or, in the love of the brethren
Rom. 12:16 condescend to men of low estate - Or, be contented with mean things
Rom. 13:1 ordained - Or, ordered
Rom. 13:13 honestly - Or, decently
Rom. 14:1 not to doubtful disputations - Or, not to judge his doubtful thoughts
Rom. 14:5 fully persuaded - Or, fully assured
Rom. 14:6 regardeth - Or, observeth
Rom. 14:14 unclean - Gr. common
Rom. 14:15 charitably - Gr. according to charity (1Cor. 8:11)
Rom. 14:23 doubteth - Or, discerneth, and putteth a difference between meats
Rom. 15:5 according - Or, after the example of
Rom. 15:16 offering up - Or, sacrificing
Rom. 15:22 much - Or, many ways, or oftentimes
Rom. 15:24 with your company - Gr. with you. Ver. 32
Rom. 15:31 do not believe - Or, are disobedient
Rom. 16:10 household - Or, friends
Rom. 16:11 household - Or, friends
Rom. 16:19 simple - Or, harmless
Rom. 16:20 bruise - Or, tread
1Cor. 1:7 coming - Gr. revelation
1Cor. 1:10 divisions - Gr. schisms
1Cor. 1:17 words - Or, speech
1Cor. 2:4 enticing - Or, persuasible
1Cor. 2:5 stand - Gr. be
1Cor. 2:15 judgeth - Or, discerneth
1Cor. 2:15 judged - Or, discerned
1Cor. 2:16 may - Gr. shall
1Cor. 3:3 divisions - Or, factions
1Cor. 3:3 as men? - Gr. according to man
1Cor. 3:9 husbandry - Or, tillage
1Cor. 3:13 shall be revealed - Gr. is revealed
1Cor. 3:17 defile - Or, destroy
1Cor. 4:3 judgment - Gr. day
1Cor. 4:7 maketh thee to differ from another? - Gr. distinguisheth thee?
1Cor. 4:9 spectacle - Gr. theater
1Cor. 5:3 judged - Or, determined
1Cor. 5:7 is sacrificed - Or, is slain
1Cor. 5:8 the Feast - Or, holiday
1Cor. 6:12 expedient - Or, profitable
1Cor. 7:15 to peace - Gr. in peace
1Cor. 7:22 free man - Gr. made free
1Cor. 7:26 distress - Or, necessity
1Cor. 8:6 in him - Or, for him, Rom. 11.36
1Cor. 8:8 are we the better - Or, have we the more
1Cor. 8:8 are we the worse - Or, have we the less
1Cor. 8:9 liberty - Or, power
1Cor. 8:10 emboldened - Gr. edified
1Cor. 9:5 wife - Or, woman
1Cor. 9:13 live - Or, feed
1Cor. 10:6 followed them - Or, went with them
1Cor. 10:6 our examples - Gr. our figures
1Cor. 10:11 ensamples - Or, Types
1Cor. 10:13 common - Or, moderate
1Cor. 10:30 grace - Or, thanksgiving
1Cor. 10:32 Gentiles - Gr. Greeks
1Cor. 11:2 ordinances - Or, traditions
1Cor. 11:10 power - That is, a covering, in sign that she is under the power of her husband
1Cor. 11:15 covering - Or, veil
1Cor. 11:18 divisions - Or, schisms
1Cor. 11:19 heresies - Or, sects
1Cor. 11:20 not to eat - Or, ye cannot eat
1Cor. 11:22 them that have not? - Or, them that are poor
1Cor. 11:24 in remembrance - Or, for a remembrance
1Cor. 11:26 ye do show - Or, shew ye
1Cor. 11:29 damnation - Or, judgment
1Cor. 11:34 condemnation - Or, judgment
1Cor. 12:3 accursed - Or, Anathema
1Cor. 12:5 administrations - Or, ministries
1Cor. 12:13 Gentiles - Gr. Greeks
1Cor. 12:23 bestow - Or, put on
1Cor. 12:25 schism - Or, division
1Cor. 12:28 diversities - Or, kinds
1Cor. 12:29 workers - Or, powers
1Cor. 13:4 vaunteth not - Or, is not rash
1Cor. 13:6 in the truth - Or, with the truth
1Cor. 13:11 thought - Or, reasoned
1Cor. 13:12 darkly - Gr. in a riddle
1Cor. 14:2 understandeth - Gr. heareth
1Cor. 14:7 sounds - Or, tunes
1Cor. 14:9 easy - Gr. Significant
1Cor. 14:12 of spiritual - Gr. of spirits
1Cor. 14:20 men - Gr. perfect or of a ripe age
1Cor. 14:27 two… - by two or three sentences separately
1Cor. 14:33 confusion - Gr. tumult, or unquietness
1Cor. 15:2 keep in memory - Or, hold fast
1Cor. 15:2 what I preached - Gr. by what speech
1Cor. 15:8 one born - Or, an abortive
1Cor. 15:31 your - Some read, our
1Cor. 15:32 after the manner of men - Or, to speak after the manner of men
1Cor. 15:55 grave - Or, hell
1Cor. 16:3 liberality - Gr. gift
2Cor. 1:6 is effectual - Or, is wrought
2Cor. 1:9 sentence - Or, answer
2Cor. 1:15 benefit - Or, grace
2Cor. 1:18 word - Or, preaching
2Cor. 2:6 punishment - Or, censure
2Cor. 2:10 the person - Or, in the sight
2Cor. 2:17 corrupt - Or, deal deceitfully with
2Cor. 3:6 giveth life - Or, quickeneth
2Cor. 3:12 plainness - Or, boldness
2Cor. 3:18 by the spirit of the Lord - O, of the Lord the spirit
2Cor. 4:2 dishonesty - Gr. shame
2Cor. 4:8 in despair - Or, altogether without help or means
2Cor. 5:9 labour - Or, endeavour
2Cor. 5:12 in appearance - Gr. in the face
2Cor. 5:17 he is - Or, let him be
2Cor. 5:19 committed unto us - Gr. put in us
2Cor. 6:4 approving - Gr. commending
2Cor. 6:5 in tumults - Or, in tossings to and fro
2Cor. 7:9 after a godly manner - Or, according to God
2Cor. 7:15 inward - Gr. bowels
2Cor. 8:10 forward - Gr. willing
2Cor. 8:19 grace - Or, gift
2Cor. 8:22 I have - Or, he hath
2Cor. 9:5 bounty - Gr. blessing
2Cor. 9:5 whereof ye had notice before - Or, which hath been so much spoken of before
2Cor. 10:1 in presence - Or, in outward appearance
2Cor. 10:2 think - Or, reckon
2Cor. 10:4 through God - Or, to God
2Cor. 10:5 imaginations - Or, reasonings
2Cor. 10:12 are not wise - Or, understand it not
2Cor. 10:13 rule - Or, line
2Cor. 10:15 enlarged by you - Or, magnified in you
2Cor. 10:16 line - Or, rule
2Cor. 11:1 bear with me - Or, you do bear with me
2Cor. 11:10 no man shall stop me in this boasting - Gr. this boasting shall not be stopped in me
2Cor. 11:16 receive - Or, suffer
2Cor. 12:4 lawful - Or, possible
2Cor. 12:15 you - Gr. your souls
2Cor. 13:4 in him - Or, with him
Gal. 1:14 equals - Gr. equals in years
Gal. 1:18 went up - Or, returned
Gal. 2:2 privately - Or, severally
Gal. 3:4 so many - Or, so great
Gal. 3:6 accounted - Or, imputed
Gal. 3:15 covenant - Or, testament
Gal. 4:3 Elements - Or, rudiments
Gal. 4:9 again - Or, back
Gal. 4:9 Elements - Or, rudiments
Gal. 4:15 Where is then - Or, What was then?
Gal. 4:17 you - Or, us
Gal. 4:20 stand in doubt of you - Or, I am perplexed for you
Gal. 4:24 Covenants - Or, testaments
Gal. 4:24 answereth…which now is - Or, is in the same rank with
Gal. 5:7 who did hinder you - Or, who did drive you back?
Gal. 5:16 ye shall not fulfill - Or, fulfill not
Gal. 5:24 affections - Or, passions
Gal. 6:1 if - Or, although
Gal. 6:14 by whom - Or, whereby
Eph. 1:3 places - Or, things
Eph. 1:10 heaven - Gr. the heavens
Eph. 1:12 trusted - Or, hoped
Eph. 1:17 in the knowledge - Or, for the acknowledgement
Eph. 1:19 of his might power - Gr. of the might of his power
Eph. 2:3 the desires - Gr. the wills
Eph. 2:10 ordained - Or, prepared
Eph. 2:16 thereby - Or, in himself
Eph. 3:3 afore - Or, a little before
Eph. 4:1 of the Lord - Or, in the Lord
Eph. 4:8 captivity captive - Or, a multitude of captives
Eph. 4:10 fill - Or, fulfill
Eph. 4:13 in the unity - Or, into the unity
Eph. 4:13 stature - Or, age
Eph. 4:15 speaking - Or, being sincere
Eph. 4:18 blindness - Or, hardness
Eph. 4:24 true holiness - Or, holiness of truth
Eph. 4:28 to give - Or, to distribute
Eph. 4:29 to use of the edifying - Or, to edify profitably
Eph. 5:6 disobedience - Or, unbelief
Eph. 5:13 reproved - Or, discovered
Eph. 6:9 forbearing - Or, moderating
Eph. 6:9 your master also - Some read, both your, and their master
Eph. 6:12 spiritual wickedness - Gr. wicked spirits
Eph. 6:12 high places - Or, heavenly
Eph. 6:13 having done all - Or, having overcome all
Eph. 6:20 in bonds - Or, in a chain
Eph. 6:20 therein - Or, thereof
Eph. 6:24 in sincerity - Or, with incorruption
Phil. 1:3 remembrance - Or, mention
Phil. 1:6 will perform it - Or, will finish it
Phil. 1:7 I have you in my heart - Or, you have me in your heart
Phil. 1:7 partakers of my grace - Or, partakers with me of grace
Phil. 1:9 judgment - Or, sense
Phil. 1:10 approve - Or, try
Phil. 1:10 are excellent - Or, differ
Phil. 1:13 in Christ - Or, for Christ
Phil. 1:13 palace - Or, Ceasars Court
Phil. 1:13 all other places - Or, to all others
Phil. 2:7 likeness - Or, habit
Phil. 2:15 harmless - Or, sincere
Phil. 2:15 ye shine - Or, shine ye
Phil. 2:17 offered - Gr. poured forth
Phil. 2:19 But - Or, moreover
Phil. 2:20 likeminded - Or, so dear unto me
Phil. 2:29 hold such - Or, honour such
Phil. 4:8 honest - Or, venerable
Phil. 4:10 hath flourished - Or, is revived
Phil. 4:18 I have all - Or, I have received all
Col. 1:13 his dear Son - Gr. the Son of his love
Col. 1:18 in all things - Or, among all
Col. 1:20 having made peace - Or, making peace
Col. 1:21 in your mind by wicked works - Or, by your mind in wicked works
Col. 1:25 to fulfill the word of God - Or, fully to preach the word of God, Rom. 1.19
Col. 1:27 in you - Or, amongst you
Col. 2:1 conflict - Or, fear or care
Col. 2:3 In whom - Or, wherein
Col. 2:8 rudiments - Or, elements
Col. 2:15 in it - Or, in himself
Col. 2:16 in meat, or in drink - Or, for eating and drinking
Col. 2:16 respect - Or, in part
Col. 2:18 beguile you - Or, judge against you
Col. 2:18 in a voluntary humility - Gr. being a voluntary in humility
Col. 2:20 rudiments - Or, elements
Col. 2:23 neglecting - Or, punishing, or not sparing
Col. 3:2 affection - Or, mind
Col. 3:13 quarrel - Or, complaint
Col. 4:12 laboring - Or, striving
Col. 4:12 complete - Or, filled
1Thess. 1:4 beloved, your election of God - Or, beloved of God, your election
1Thess. 2:6 burdensome - Or, used authority
1Thess. 2:15 persecuted us - Or, chased us out
1Thess. 2:19 rejoicing? - Or, glorying
1Thess. 3:11 direct - Or, guide
1Thess. 4:1 beseech - Or, request
1Thess. 4:1 exhort - Or, beseech
1Thess. 4:6 defraud - Or, oppress, or, overreach
1Thess. 4:6 in any matter - Or, in the matter
1Thess. 4:8 despiseth - Or, rejecteth
1Thess. 4:12 nothing - Or, of no man
1Thess. 4:18 comfort - Or, exhort
1Thess. 5:11 comfort - Or, exhort
1Thess. 5:14 exhort - Or, beseech
1Thess. 5:14 unruly - Or, disorderly
1Thess. 5:27 charge - Or, adjure
2Thess. 1:7 his mighty angels - Gr. the angels of his power
2Thess. 1:8 taking - Or, yielding
2Thess. 1:11 count - Or, vouchsafe
2Thess. 2:6 withholdeth - Or, holdeth
2Thess. 3:1 may have free - Gr. may run
2Thess. 3:2 unreasonable - Gr. absurd
2Thess. 3:5 the patient waiting for Christ - Or, the patience of Christ
2Thess. 3:13 be not weary - Or, faint not
2Thess. 3:14 by this Epistle note that man - Or, signify that man by an Epistle
1Tim. 1:6 having swarved - Or, not aiming at
1Tim. 2:1 Exhort - Or, desire
1Tim. 2:2 authority - Or, eminent place
1Tim. 2:6 to be testified - Or, a testimony
1Tim. 2:9 broided - Or, plaited
1Tim. 3:2 of good behavior - Or, modest
1Tim. 3:3 Not given to wine - Or, not ready to quarrel and offer wrong as one in wine
1Tim. 3:6 a novice - Or, one newly come to the faith
1Tim. 3:13 have used - Or, ministered
1Tim. 3:15 ground - Or, stay
1Tim. 4:8 little - Or, for a little time
1Tim. 4:15 to all - Or, in all things
1Tim. 5:4 piety - Or, kindness
1Tim. 5:6 in pleasure - Or, delicately
1Tim. 5:8 house - Or, kindred
1Tim. 5:9 taken - Or, chosen
1Tim. 5:14 to speak reproachfully - Gr. for their railing
1Tim. 5:19 before - Or, under
1Tim. 5:21 without preferring - Or, without prejudice
1Tim. 6:2 faithful - Or, believing
1Tim. 6:4 proud - Or, a fool
1Tim. 6:4 doting - Or, sick
1Tim. 6:5 Perverse disputing - Or, gallings one of another
1Tim. 6:10 erred - Or, been seduced
1Tim. 6:13 Confession - Or, profession
1Tim. 6:17 uncertain riches - Gr. uncertainty of riches
1Tim. 6:18 willing - Or, sociable
2Tim. 1:12 believed - Or, trusted
2Tim. 2:2 among - Or, by
2Tim. 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth, must be first partaker of the fruits - Or, the husbandman laboring first must be partaker of the fruits
2Tim. 2:17 canker - Or, gangrene
2Tim. 2:19 sure - Or, steady
2Tim. 2:24 patient - Or, forbearing
2Tim. 2:26 recover - Gr. awake
2Tim. 2:26 taken captive - Gr. taken alive
2Tim. 3:3 false accusers - Or, makebates
2Tim. 3:8 reprobate - Or, of no judgment
2Tim. 3:10 Thou hast fully known - Or, thou hast been a diligent follower of
2Tim. 4:5 make full proof - Or, fulfill
2Tim. 4:15 our words - Or, our preachings
Titus 1:2 In - Or, for
Titus 1:5 are wanting - Or, left undone
Titus 1:8 good men - Or, good things
Titus 1:9 as he hath been taught - Or, in teaching
Titus 1:16 reprobate - Or, void of judgment
Titus 2:2 sober - Or, vigilant
Titus 2:3 holiness - Or, holy women
Titus 2:3 false accusers - Or, makebates
Titus 2:4 sober - Or, wise
Titus 2:6 sober minded - Or, discreet
Titus 2:9 answering again - Or, gain saying
Titus 2:11 that bringeth salvation hat appeared to all men - Or, that bringeth salvation to all men, hath appeared
Titus 3:4 love - Or, pity
Titus 3:6 abundantly - Gr. richly
Titus 3:14 maintain good works - Or, profess honest trades
Heb. 1:8 righteousness - Gr. rightness, or straightness
Heb. 2:1 let them slip - Gr. run out as leaking vessels
Heb. 2:4 gifts - Or, distributions
Heb. 2:7 little lower then - Or, a little while inferior to
Heb. 2:9 for - Or, by
Heb. 2:16 took not on him the nature of Angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham - Gr. he taketh not hold of Angels, but of the seed of Abraham he taketh hold
Heb. 3:2 appointed - Gr. made, (1Sam. 12:6)
Heb. 3:11 they shall not enter - Gr. if they shall enter
Heb. 4:2 the word preached - Gr. the word of hearing
Heb. 4:2 not being mixed with faith in them - Or, because they were not united by faith to
Heb. 4:6 it was first preached - Or, the Gospel was first preached
Heb. 4:8 Jesus - that is, Joshua
Heb. 4:9 rest - Or, keeping of a Sabbath
Heb. 4:11 unbelief - Or, disobedience
Heb. 5:2 can have compassion - Or, can reasonably bear with
Heb. 5:7 in that he feared - Or, for his piety
Heb. 5:13 unskillful - Gr. hath no experience
Heb. 5:14 of full age - Or, perfect
Heb. 5:14 of use - Or, of an habit, or perfection
Heb. 6:1 principles of the doctrine of Christ - Or, the word of the beginning of Christ
Heb. 6:7 by - Or, for
Heb. 6:17 confirmed it by an oath - Gr. interposed himself by an oath
Heb. 7:3 without descent - Gr. without pedigree
Heb. 7:6 descent - Or, pedigree
Heb. 7:19 but the bringing in - Or, but it was the bringing in
Heb. 7:21 without an oath - Or, without swearing of an oath
Heb. 7:24 unchangeable - Or, which passeth not from one to another
Heb. 7:25 to the uttermost - Or, evermore
Heb. 7:28 consecrated - Gr. perfected
Heb. 8:2 of the Sanctuary - Or, of holy things
Heb. 8:4 there are Priests - Or, they are Priests
Heb. 8:6 Covenant - Or, Testament
Heb. 8:10 put - Gr. give
Heb. 8:10 in - Or, upon
Heb. 9:1 ordinances - Or, ceremonies
Heb. 9:2 the Sanctuary - Or, holy
Heb. 9:10 ordinances - Or, rites, or ceremonies
Heb. 9:14 spot - Or, fault
Heb. 9:16 be - Or, be brought in
Heb. 9:18 dedicated - Or, purified
Heb. 9:19 scarlet - Or, purple
Heb. 10:5 prepared me - Or, thou hast fitted me
Heb. 10:19 boldness - Or, liberty
Heb. 10:20 consecrated - Or, new made
Heb. 11:1 substance - Or, ground, or confidence
Heb. 11:4 yet speaketh - Or, is yet spoken of
Heb. 11:7 moved - Or, being weary
Heb. 11:13 in faith - Gr. according to faith
Heb. 11:18 Of - Or, To
Heb. 11:22 made mention - Or, remembered
Heb. 11:26 of Christ - Or, for Christ
Heb. 11:31 that believeth not - Or, that were disobedient
Heb. 11:40 provided - Or, foreseen
Heb. 12:2 Author - Or, beginner
Heb. 12:13 straight - Or, even
Heb. 12:15 fail - Or, fall from
Heb. 12:17 place of repentance - Or, way to change his mind
Heb. 12:23 written - Or, enrolled
Heb. 12:24 Covenant - Or, Testament
Heb. 12:27 are shaken - Or, may be shaken
Heb. 12:28 let us have - Or, let us hold fast
Heb. 13:7 have the rule - Or, are the guides
Heb. 13:15 giving thanks - Gr. confessing to
Heb. 13:17 have the rule - Or, guide
Heb. 13:20 Covenant - Or, Testament
Heb. 13:21 working - Or, doing
Jas. 1:9 rejoice - Or, glory
Jas. 1:13 evil - Or, evils
Jas. 1:25 deed - Or, doing
Jas. 2:2 assembly - Gr. synagogue
Jas. 2:3 in a good place - Or, well, or seemly
Jas. 2:5 the - Or, that
Jas. 2:11 that said - Or, that Law which said
Jas. 2:17 alone - Gr. by itself
Jas. 2:18 without - Some copies read, by thy works
Jas. 2:22 seest thou - Or, thou seest
Jas. 2:26 spirit - Or, breath
Jas. 3:1 condemnation - Or, judgment
Jas. 3:5 a matter - Or, wood
Jas. 3:6 course - Gr. wheel
Jas. 3:7 kind - Gr. nature
Jas. 3:7 mankind - Gr. nature of man
Jas. 3:11 place - Or, hole
Jas. 3:15 sensual - Or, natural
Jas. 3:16 confusion - Gr. tumult or unquietness
Jas. 3:17 without partiality - Or, without wrangling
Jas. 4:1 fightings - Or, brawling
Jas. 4:1 lusts - Or, pleasures
Jas. 4:3 lusts - Or, pleasures
Jas. 4:5 to envy? - Or, enviously
Jas. 4:14 It is even - Or, for it is
Jas. 5:7 Be patient - Or, be long patient, or suffer with long patience
Jas. 5:9 Grudge not - Or, groan, or grieve not
Jas. 5:17 earnestly - Or, in his prayer
1Pet. 1:3 abundant - Gr. much
1Pet. 1:4 for you - Or, for us
1Pet. 1:13 to the end - Gr. perfectly
1Pet. 1:24 For - Or, for that
1Pet. 2:5 are built up - Or, be ye built
1Pet. 2:7 he is precious - Or, he is an honour
1Pet. 2:9 peculiar people - Or, a purchased people
1Pet. 2:9 praises - Or, virtues
1Pet. 2:12 whereas - Or, wherein
1Pet. 2:16 using - Gr. having
1Pet. 2:17 Honour - Or, esteem
1Pet. 2:20 acceptable - Or, thank
1Pet. 2:21 for us - Some read, for you
1Pet. 2:23 committed himself - Or, committed his cause
1Pet. 2:24 on - Or, to
1Pet. 3:6 daughters - Gr. children
1Pet. 3:8 love as brethren - Or, loving to the brethren
1Pet. 3:12 against - Gr. upon
1Pet. 3:15 fear - Or, reverence
1Pet. 4:8 shall - Or, will
1Pet. 5:2 which is among you - Or, as much as in you is
1Pet. 5:3 being lords over - Or, overruling
2Pet. 1:3 to - Or, by
2Pet. 1:21 in old time - Or, at any time
2Pet. 2:2 pernicious ways - Or, lascivious ways, as some copies read
2Pet. 2:10 government - Or, dominion
2Pet. 2:11 against them - some read against themselves
2Pet. 2:14 adultery - Gr. an adulteress
2Pet. 2:18 clean - Or, for a little, or a while as some read
2Pet. 3:5 standing - Gr. consisting
2Pet. 3:12 hasting unto the coming - Or, hasting the coming
1John 2:10 stumbling - Gr. scandal
1John 2:27 him - Or, it
1John 2:29 ye know - Or, know ye
1John 3:11 message - Or, commandment
1John 3:19 assure - Gr. persuade
1John 4:17 our love - Gr. love with us
1John 5:14 in him - Or, concerning him
2John 1:8 wrought - Or, gained. Some copies read, which ye have gained, but that ye receive, etc.
2John 1:12 face to face - Gr. mouth to mouth
3John 1:1 in the truth - Or, truly
3John 1:2 wish - Or, pray
3John 1:14 face to face - Gr. mouth to mouth
Jude 1:6 first estate - Or, principality
Jude 1:7 strange - Gr. other
Rev. 3:14 of the Laodiceans - Or, in Laodicea
Rev. 4:8 rest not - Gr. they have no rest
Rev. 5:8 odours - Or, incense
Rev. 6:6 A measure - The word choenix, signifieth a measure containing one wine quart, and the twelfth part of a quart
Rev. 6:8 unto them - Or, to him
Rev. 6:13 untimely figs - Or, green figs
Rev. 8:3 offer it with the prayers - Or, add it to the prayers
Rev. 9:11 Apollyon - that is to say, A destroyer
Rev. 9:15 for - Or, at
Rev. 11:2 leave out - Gr. cast out
Rev. 11:3 I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy - Or, I will give unto my two witnesses that they may prophesy
Rev. 11:13 of men - Gr. names of men
Rev. 11:18 destroy - Or, corrupt
Rev. 12:1 wonder - Or, sign
Rev. 12:3 wonder - Or, sign
Rev. 13:1 name - Or, names
Rev. 13:3 wounded - Gr. slain
Rev. 13:5 to continue - Or, to make war
Rev. 13:15 life - Gr. breath
Rev. 13:16 to receive - Gr. to give
Rev. 14:4 were redeemed - Gr. were bought
Rev. 14:13 from henceforth, yea, saith the Spirit - Or, from henceforth saith the Spirit, yea
Rev. 14:15 ripe - Or, dried
Rev. 16:9 scorched - Or, burned
Rev. 17:4 decked - Gr. gilded
Rev. 17:5 HARLOTS - Or, fornications
Rev. 18:3 abundance - Or, power
Rev. 18:12 Thine - Or, sweet
Rev. 18:13 slaves - Or, bodies
Rev. 20:13 hell - Or, hell [obviously a typo in 1611]

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Re: KJV Tampering

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ebion wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:02 pm The AV 1611 KJV has been tampered with to both major and minor extents, which adds to it's problems. It's relatively easy to see what has been tampered with, because by the King James I Rules Of Translation, it was based on the Bishop's bible.
  1. The ordinary Bible read in the Church, commonly called the Bishops Bible, to be followed, and as little altered as the Truth of the original will permit.
The Bishop's bible was one of the family of Tyndale bibles, and so it's easy to compare the good Tyndale bibles to the later KJV. We are discussing deliberate tampering - pious frauds as Sir Issac Newton called them - not TR errors.

Although they pale in comparison to the Wescott and Hort wholesale re-engineering, we collect some of them here for reference. It's easy enough to make a list and format it up as a commentary that can be read alongside a KJV as corrections. KJV is the reference because of versification but there is no need to remain ignorant of its errors and tampering.

Additionally, knowing the errors and tamperings in the KJV is a useful weapon in the fight against the pernicious modern heresy known as "King James Onlyism".
KJO's are, imo, a little coocoo in the coconut.

Just earliest source material for me thank you.
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KJO pastors are being paid by their churches to dumb down Christians.

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lclapshaw wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 10:56 am KJO's are, imo, a little coocoo in the coconut.

Just earliest source material for me thank you.
Cocoos you can pack off to the looney bin: KJOs are much more dangerous. They're insidious: they've taken over the bible publishing houses and the churches.

I was at a bible study group of a large American church with a KJO pastor and its prey. They were going on about washing their sins in the blood of a dead god, which is pure Marcionism. But they would have none of it: they had the "Word of God" - they had the KJV.

The KJVs that they had been Bible Societyed: no footnotes, no Preface to the Reader that says explicity that thus is not the Word of God: that the KJV was the best a bunch of paid academics and clergy could do under the (mis)translation rules set down by James. The bible study group's idea of bible study was reading a few verses, without any critical study of the text, with lengthy bouts of the pastor listening to himself talk. They droned on and on how Jesus had died for their sins, and they had nothing to do to be saved by Grace.

Sin is barely mentioned by Jesus; it all of the synoptics the word only comes up twice, and only once by Jesus:
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. (Matthew 12:31 [KJV])
He never talks about sin in the sense of personal sin.

They were downright hostile to studying the text. I asked if we could "study" Revelations 2, which IMHO is the best polemic against Paulunism ever written, and got turned down cold: the pastor lied outright when he said to the group Revelations 2 was not about Paul. And after a while I realized that this was intentional: KJO pastors are being paid by their churches to dumb down Christians. I can only see KJOnlyism as an attack on Christianity.

Treating KJOs as mentally deranged, fails to recognize the virilent aspect of the disease: From watch-unto-prayer.org:
When we first took a stand for the King James Bible many years ago, it never occurred to us that “King James-Only” meant “no Greek and no Hebrew.” [or Aramaic - ed.]

It was upon reading Gail Riplinger’s most recent book, that we discovered that the term “KJV-Only” was to be taken literally. It means that the King James Bible alone is divinely inspired, perfect and superior to all other translations and texts, including the Greek Textus Receptus and the Hebrew Masoretic Text.

Gail Riplinger’s book, In Awe of Thy Word, is both a broadside attack on the Greek Textus Receptus and an introduction to Kabbalah, which is Jewish occultism. Yet the heretical nature of Riplinger’s book goes undetected by many in the King James-Only community probably because her best-seller, New Age Bible Versions, seemed to uphold the Textus Receptus as the standard text for New Testament translation. When it became apparent that Gail Riplinger had done a volte face on the superiority of the Greek Textus Receptus, it was time for us to reexamine her teachings and to confront many false teachings of King James Onlyism; for there appears to be a “conspiracy of silence” among KJV-Only leaders as Gail takes the movement to a new level of heresy.
I've developed some rules for Christians surfing sites:
  1. If you see Gail Riplinger treated with anything less than Derision, let it be anathema.
  2. If you see James H. Sightler treated as someone with something to say on Christianity, let it be anathema.
  3. If you see the site panhandling for James Knox, let it be anathema.
  4. If you see it speak of the Codex Sinaitcus as anything other than a Fraud (or it's spawn: NIV) , let it be anathema.
  5. If you see it speak of the Codex Vaticanus as anything other than Trash that Erasmus would not look at (or it's spawn: NIV...), let it be anathema.
Just earliest source material in the right language for me; happy anathema-free surfing!
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Re: KJV Tampering

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I hate to tell you this ebion, you seem like a nice enough guy, but I consider all of XCaninty pure fiction. Created by Greeks and Romans, for use by Greeks and Romans, that they appropriated from the Jewish people like they did with so many other cultures.

Sorry.

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Plans of our enemies to eradicate and enslave us

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lclapshaw wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 10:14 pm I hate to tell you this ebion, you seem like a nice enough guy, but I consider all of XCaninty pure fiction.
I used to be able to think like that, and but then in digging into the texts I came across the plans of our enemies to eradicate and enslave us, and the importance they attach specifically to destroying Christianity.

Sorta like: it doesn't matter if you believe in Satan if you have enemies that do. You had better study their plans and know everything there is to know, whether you are a believer or not. Look at how Disney is not only woke, but Satanic. How your laws have been changed to make reading a NTBible a "hate crime". How asking for the truth about DoD countermeasures that they are injecting globally is a criminal offence. And how your tax dollars are funding the Brigades or the Units or the Agencies that are spamming our forums.

They're most worried about Christianity, so they use wars of religion to attack it. And by the same token, I've come to appreciate that an authentic Chritianity, without the perversions of the Constantinian/Mithran churches, is the best tool we have to fight their enslavement. Whether you are a believer or not.

PS: If you're not paranoid, it just means you haven't been paying attention :-,)
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Tampering in both Tyndale and KJV, but not the PeshittA? (Acts 16:16 )

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This came up on another thread on the Author of Acts:
robert j wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:40 am What a trainwreck.
...
ebion wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:16 am Acts is history at its finest ...
Acts is not to be ignored, but rather plumbed. Read Mauck, or look at del Tondo's reviews of Mauck's book on del Tondo's YouTube channel:

I was really impressed with the details that they bring out of the work by the Author of Acts. AoA is very subtle in lacing Acts with pro-pagan references for the Roman prosecutor, which at the same time condemn Paul to Christians. There was a lot riding on the trial: death to all Christians in the Roman Empire!

Look at del Tondo's videos on the Pythia: See how Tyndale's and the KJV brush over the reference:
And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: (Acts 16:16 [KJV])

And It fortuned as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit that prophesied met us, which brought her master and masters much vantage with prophesying. (Acts 16:16 [TyNT])
I bet most Christians see nothing in that verse, and yet it is a condemnation of Paul for going to the highest ranking Pagan goddess site for approval - and getting it! You can only see something in Young's Literal Translation:
And it came to pass in our going on to prayer, a certain maid, having a spirit of Python, did meet us, who brought much employment to her masters by soothsaying, (Acts 16:16 [YLT])
You can see it in the PeshittA:
And it happened, that when we went unto The Prayer House, a certain young girl met us, in whom there was a spirit of divination. And she had performed for her lords/masters much business by her divining of divination. (Acts 16:16 [HAS])
The tampering to brush over the fact that Paul is going to the Pagan Priestess for approval, but it's not just KJV tampering - it follows Tyndale.
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lclapshaw
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Re: Plans of our enemies to eradicate and enslave us

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ebion wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:03 pm
lclapshaw wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 10:14 pm I hate to tell you this ebion, you seem like a nice enough guy, but I consider all of XCaninty pure fiction.
I used to be able to think like that, and but then in digging into the texts I came across the plans of our enemies to eradicate and enslave us, and the importance they attach specifically to destroying Christianity.

Sorta like: it doesn't matter if you believe in Satan if you have enemies that do. You had better study their plans and know everything there is to know, whether you are a believer or not. Look at how Disney is not only woke, but Satanic. How your laws have been changed to make reading a NTBible a "hate crime". How asking for the truth about DoD countermeasures that they are injecting globally is a criminal offence. And how your tax dollars are funding the Brigades or the Units or the Agencies that are spamming our forums.

They're most worried about Christianity, so they use wars of religion to attack it. And by the same token, I've come to appreciate that an authentic Chritianity, without the perversions of the Constantinian/Mithran churches, is the best tool we have to fight their enslavement. Whether you are a believer or not.

PS: If you're not paranoid, it just means you haven't been paying attention :-,)
Well, I'm glad you have it all worked out.

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Re: KJV Tampering

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Thanks ebion!

This is valuable information that I've been seeking. What you have offered here, with such brevity and focus, is hard to find!

What about 1) NKJV and 2) NKJV Study Bible?
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