I still don't fully understand what your exact problem with Bermejo-Rubio is. Can you explain that again?Giuseppe wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:18 amKunigunde, I value very much your opinion on this point. Since I recognize that the marcionite priority has serious problems in explaining the titulus crucis, have you a cogent explanation of it under the Markan priority that is not the Bermejo-Rubio's explanation (i.e. that the rebel Jesus advanced claims to the kingdom of Israel and the titulus parodied deliberately a such claim)?Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:48 amThe „seditious material“ is not found in deeper archaeological layers of the text, but is found at the "final editing stage", as source critics would say. Carrier demonstrated this very well for the two swords story.
In order to understand what Bermejo-Rubio thinks about the title of the cross, I google-translated (see below) a section of a Spanish essay by him: La pretensión regia de Jesús el Galileo. Sobre la historicidad de un motivo en los relatos evangélicos PDF (The Royal Claim of Jesus the Galilean. On the Historicity of a Motif in the Gospel Narratives).
In this essay, Bermejo-Rubio discusses, among other things, the title “King of the Jews”, particularly with reference to GMark. He examines three passages:
- the mockery by the soldiers
- the title of the cross
He considers it possible/probable that all three uses of this title from Roman side could be historical (and references to Jesus' actual royal claims), especially the title on the cross, while he considers the Evangelists' (alleged) account that the Jewish elites made such a charge to be unhistorical. Compared to previous HJ-scholars, I find two things very positive:
- Secondly, he doesn't miss the little detail that Mark - in contrast to the other evangelists - doesn't even talk about a title on the cross, but only mentions an inscription in general (which could theoretically be also a board next to the cross).
google-translation
3. “King of the Jews” in the passion stories: from interrogation to titulus crucis
Once the historical-political context has been exposed, it is necessary to find an Archimedean point that constitutes a sufficiently secure foundation for our analysis. Since the news of the crucifixion of Jesus by order of the Roman prefect is rightly considered the most credible fact in the gospels, everything advises starting from it. Furthermore, it is in the passion stories where the term "king of the Jews" has a conspicuous presence, and this in three different contexts: the interrogation of Pilate, the mockery of Jesus by the soldiers and the titulus crucis.
The story of Mark 15:1-3, the oldest text we have, presents Pontius Pilate examining Jesus and asking him: "Are you the king of the Jews?" (Mk 15, 2), and in the rest of the interrogation scene the expression βασιλεὺς τῶν ’Ιουδαίων often reappears in his mouth. It is significant that the first to use the expression is the Roman prefect himself, who—despite not having previously appeared in the narrative—seems aware of Jesus' royal pretensions. The obvious seditious nature of the claim is made explicit in Jn 19:12 ("Anyone who claims to be king declares himself against Caesar") and Acts 17:7: "And all these act against the edicts of Caesar, saying that there is another king." , Jesus (βασιλέα ἕτερον Ἰησοῦν)»
However, as is known, the gospels—already from Mc 15, 1.3 (cf. Luke 23, 2)—try to show that “king of the Jews” is an accusation made by the Jewish authorities. Since these works offer an ominous portrait of these authorities as determined to destroy Jesus, the attribution implies that the designation does not constitute a reliable description, but rather a slander and/or the result of a translation into political terms of a charge of a religious nature. that the authorities would have presented to the prefect just to get the preacher eliminated. This version of events is, however, very doubtful, for numerous reasons that I limit myself to stating here, after having been sufficiently exposed in the critical investigation. First, the expression "king of the Jews" does not seem to come from the Jewish environment itself: it is clearly an external designation, in this case Roman. Second, it is difficult to believe that the Israeli authorities would have invented a political charge to eliminate an adversary for religious reasons: if they had the right of capital jurisdiction they could have used it, but then the death penalty would have been the one contemplated in the Torah (stoning) and not crucifixion; If they did not have that right, the mere invention of a position not only represented unscrupulous cynicism (an in malam partem vision that depends on the gospels themselves), but also entailed a risky move in relation to the prefect. Third, even if the invention of such a charge is deemed possible, for the Roman authority to have accepted it, proceeded with an interrogation and a crucifixion there must have been some compelling reason; a fortiori, since the gospels—despite the efforts of their authors to single out Jesus—portray a collective crucifixion and that a connection between all the crucified individuals is quite plausible. Fourth, the accounts of Jesus' trial before the Sanhedrin are infested with contradictions and inconsistencies. Fifth, a careful examination of the passion stories shows the existence of a series of indications that point to a different and more original story according to which the arrest of Jesus would have been carried out not by a Jewish troop but by a Roman one. Sixth, the chronological and cultural circumstances in which the gospels were composed allow us to understand the genesis of the partial exculpation of Roman power and the attribution of guilt to the Jewish authorities by virtue of the apologetic and polemical needs of the authors, the transmitters and their followers. communities. From all this it follows that there are compelling reasons to doubt the reliability of the evangelical version, and this implies that there are reasons to question whether the accusation leveled against Jesus was false.
A second context in which, in the story of the passion, the motif of royalty appears is the scene before the soldiers. According to Mark 15:16-20 (cf. Jn 19:1-5), Jesus is the object of a parody of royal epiphany by the Roman soldiers. The parody includes putting on him a purple garment (πορφύραν) and a crown of thorns, acclamation (χαῖρε, βα σιλεῦ τῶν ’Ιουδαίων) and prostration before him as a burlesque act of vassalage. This indicates that, to the troops, Jesus had pretended to be a king: the mockery was intended to highlight the vacuity of his pretensions, and perhaps also to take revenge for the behavior of his group, which was armed and had resorted to violence. If the episode deserves credit - which is not certain, since it cannot be ruled out that the scene has been excogitated to present Jesus as the victim of a general scorn - the probability would increase that Jesus' royal claim reflected a historical fact. .
A third relevant aspect is related to the titulus crucis, the tablet that specifies the reason for the sentence. In the canonical gospels there are four different formulations of the title, although all of them have as their common denominator the core βασιλεὺς τῶν ’Ιουδαίων. Now, what can we say about the historicity of the titulus? Some authors have denied it, citing as the main reason that the practice of fixing a tablet on the cross of the condemned is not, strictly speaking, attested outside the gospels. Although there are reports of the existence of criminal charges in explanatory tabellae, contrary to what is sometimes assumed this does not seem to have been a systematic practice in the Roman Empire, and in fact there are no further testimonies about tablets nailed to crosses, but only of tablets that precede the prisoner taken to the place of execution. Now, to this it can be answered, on the one hand, that in Mark's account it is not expressly said that the inscription is fixed to the cross; This being so, and as has been pointed out, at least one parallel can be adduced. On the other hand, the fact that descriptions of the crucifixion are relatively scarce in the Roman world may make the absence of parallels hardly significant, all the more so since it seems reasonable to assume that if the cause was deployed before the execution it would continue to be so. next to the condemned during the execution itself. Another reason given to deny historicity would be that the titulus constitutes a historicization of the expression used by the prefect during the interrogation, but it would be more plausible to consider it as the natural corollary corresponding to an effective accusation.
In fact, there are good reasons to give credibility to the titulus crucis. First of all, the association of the royal title with the cross lacks biblical precedent, and since the expression was not later used in Christianity, it is implausible to consider it the historicization of a dogmatic motif: Mark wishes to present Jesus as the son of God, not as king of the Jews, and the titulus is only a circumstantial detail in his account. Second, it is hardly credible that the formulation of the inscription, of unmistakably political significance, was invented by Christians. Third, the irony in the Roman use of the title fits well with the parodic nature of the Roman crucifixion: the supposed king finds death reserved for humiliors, unmasking his – for the Empire – outrageous pretensions. Fourth, given the public nature of the crucifixion and its intended deterrent function, it is very plausible that the causa mortis was shown in order to serve as a warning and increase the impact of the sentence. Fifth, the title expresses a desire for independence and the desire to usurp the imperium from the prefect—and ultimately the emperor—which fits very well with the type of crimes (crimen maestatis) to which crucifixion was applied in the Judea subject to the Roman Empire. The convergence of all these reasons argues for opting in favor of the titulus reflecting a historical fact. The probable historicity of the title allows us to conjecture that a royal claim could have been raised by Jesus himself, a possibility that is supported by his reaction in the interrogation narratives. Although there seems to be no reason to give credibility to the answer to Pilate in Mark 15:2b (Σὺ λἐγεις, "you say so"), regardless of whether it is given or not, what is significant is that neither here nor anywhere else in the In the synoptic gospels, Jesus is shown distancing himself from that name or from the implications that derive from it. If he had done so, chances are he would not have been crucified, at least for that reason.
The analysis carried out creates a reasonable initial presumption in favor of a royal claim of the character, but certainly not yet a solid foundation for the hypothesis. Just as the crucifixion is a powerful indication of the anti-Roman character of Jesus' undertaking but not in itself reliable proof - since it cannot be ruled out from the outset that this specific crucifixion was the result of an arbitrary application of coercitio or a interested plot on the part of the Jewish authorities—nor is the presence of the accusation “king of the Jews” in the story of the passion and the titulus crucis sufficient to conclude without reasonable doubt that it reflects an effective claim on the part of Jesus. This requires us, therefore, to continue the analysis.