Secret Alias wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:01 am Lost in all of this nonsense is my original point.Clearly Chrestos can mean "the right one" i.e. one who appears at the right time viz. the end times, times of conflagration.Secret Alias wrote:Ἐπὶ μεγάλοις τετήρηται πράγμασι καὶ μεγίσταις μεταβολαῖς τῶν ἐπὶ γῆς ἀνατέλλειν τοὺς τοιούτους ἀστέρας, σημαίνοντας ἢ μεταστάσεις βασιλειῶν ἢ πολέμους ἢ ὅσα δύναται ἐν ἀνθρώποις συμβῆναι, σεῖσαι τὰ ἐπὶ γῆς δυνάμενα. Ἀνέγνωμεν δ' ἐν τῷ περὶ κομητῶν Χαιρήμονος τοῦ στωϊκοῦ συγγράμματι, τίνα τρόπον ἔσθ' ὅτε καὶ ἐπὶ χρηστοῖς ἐσομένοις κομῆται ἀνέτειλαν, καὶ ἐκτίθεται τὴν περὶ τούτων ἱστορίαν. Εἴπερ οὖν ἐπὶ βασιλείαις καιναῖς ἢ ἄλλοις μεγάλοις συμπ τώμασιν ἐπὶ γῆς ἀνατέλλει ὁ καλούμενος κομήτης ἤ τις τῶν παραπλησίων ἀστήρ, τί θαυμαστὸν ἐπὶ τῇ γενέσει τοῦ καινοτομεῖν μέλλοντος ἐν τῷ γένει τῶν ἀνθρώπων καὶ διδασκαλίαν ἐπεισάγειν οὐ μόνον Ἰουδαίοις ἀλλὰ καὶ Ἕλλησι πολλοῖς δὲ καὶ τοῖς βαρβάρων ἔθνεσιν ἀστέρα ἀνατεταλκέναι
In great and greatest affairs on earth, such stars rise, indicating changes in kingdoms, wars, or whatever may happen among humans, capable of shaking earthly powers. We have read in the work of the Stoic philosopher Chairemon regarding comets, how and under what circumstances comets have appeared even during the right [original translation: favorable] times, and he recounts the history of these phenomena. Therefore, if [rises] a comet, or any similar star [ἀστήρ], in conjunction with new kingdoms or other significant events on earth, what wonder will it bring upon the birth of an innovator in the human race, and introduce teaching not only to the Jews but also to many Greeks and even to the nations of barbarians?
- I think a lot of these passages need more forensic translations and better transliterations ...
τίνα : who[m] : https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%84%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%B1
τρόπον : tropos : trope : https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%84%C ... ient_Greek
ἔσθ' : [apocopic] form of ἔστε (éste) which is the second-person plural present active imperative of εἰμί (eimí): [to] be
ὅτε
- (of time) when
- (casual sense) whereas / whereby
- (absolute) sometimes, now and then
ἐπὶ : on, upon : https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%90%CF%80%CE%AF
χρηστοῖς : chrestois :
ἐσομένοις : future middle participle of εἰμί (eimí); will be
κομῆται
- comet
- long-haired
- feathered (of an arrow)
ἀνέτειλαν : rise/rose [up] / appear[ed] on the horizon