Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

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Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

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Three nouns that end in -νος

ἐκλεγόμενος (first page)
χρησάμενος (second page)
περιβεβλημένος (third page)

Do any of these look like γυμνοὶ on page three? Completely different ligature already recognized by Tselikas. https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp- ... ions-1.pdf Again, leave these things to the experts.
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Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

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This calls for a poem:


In the silent halls of Mar Saba, whispers of the past,
A letter found, its contents bound in shadows, vast.
Like Poe's purloined epistle, under everyone's eye,
The manuscript lay hidden, beneath the scholarly sky.

A controversy brewed, a storm in academic cups,
A letter's claim, its flame, where history interrupts.
Once deemed a text of love, unspoken, between men,
The debate turned, not to learn, but to defend a den.

No one read the lines, the signs, after judgment's cast,
Each found their prize, in their own eyes, anchored to the mast.
The dumbest debate, scholars' fate, in echo chambers sealed,
A humanities' end, unable to mend, in prideful fields.

Everyone got what they wanted, yet nothing at all,
In the halls of Mar Saba, history's call.
The manuscript, like Poe's letter, hidden in plain sight,
Became a mirror of our own plight.

Not the search for truth, but for victory in debate,
A lesson unlearned, until it's too late.
The end of the humanities, or just a reflection,
Of a wider world, lost in its own direction.

So let us read the manuscript, not just the controversy,
Find wisdom in the text, and not just the adversary.
For in the end, it's understanding we should crave,
Not the shallow victories, that lead us to the grave.
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Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

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Somehow I have managed to have three different photos of each page of the original manuscript for proper comparison. Notice the final ligature -νος consistent throughout:

Page 3 περιβεβλημένος

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Page 2 χρησάμενος

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Page 1 ἐκλεγόμενος

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page 3 γυμνοὶ

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Every instance of οι:

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Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

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This is a poem about all the scholars who looked at these photos (of course not at this forum because we don't do this) but people like Carlson, Brown, etc.

I am sure that others saw this but said nothing,
Eyes averted, voices hushed, in fear or in bluffing.
In the crowded rooms where truths dare not tread,
Silent agreements made, in glances quickly shed.

I am sure that they knew the truth,
Underneath the lies, the sleight, so uncouth.
Yet, in knowing, chose the path of least resistance,
Comfort in the shadows, at truth's insistence.

I am sure that they realized they were wrong but said nothing,
Pride's heavy chain, to their conscience, a muffling.
In the mirror of the night, their reflections haunted,
By the silence of their voices, truth's seed undaunted.

I am sure that in their hearts, a quiet war raged,
Between what is easy and the battles unengaged.
Yet, the easier path was always chosen,
Leaving the harder truths unspoken, frozen.

I am sure that in their silence, a lesson lies,
Not in the words unsaid, but in the why.
For in the end, it's not just the truth that matters,
But the courage to say it, before the silence scatters.

So, I stand here, amidst the quiet of the unspoken,
Wondering if the silence might yet be broken.
For I am sure that others saw, knew, and realized,
And in their silence, the truth was not disguised.
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Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

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I have argued with "authenticity" proponents too. I can reproduce these conversations at will. No one seems to know what the ligature for νος is. Tselikas knows:

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So if the handwriting was spelling γυμνὸς it would be γυμ+

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Or if you want other examples:

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Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

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Secret Alias wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:11 pm Somehow I have managed to have three different photos of each page of the original manuscript for proper comparison. Notice the final ligature -νος consistent throughout:
That is a good argument.
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Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

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Thank you. To show you how dumb I am I've been working on this forever and I only came up with this today. Tselikas is so sick of me. He thinks I'm like Forrest Gump.
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