A simple yet elegant solution to Christian origins.lclapshaw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:43 amThe whole thing is simply popular fiction. The "Church", IC, the letters, the Apostles... all of it. Fiction.StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:45 am Whether you could, if they let you, talk to MI6, but you cannot speak with ancient Christians, so?
They knew who it referred to.
If you have a different, alternate, reading, what is that?
That's all. Simple, really.
Not satisfied with the invention of all the above the church, with imperial sponsorship, went on to invent fiction stories about the lives and deaths of thousands of saints and martyrs. The elite bishops and doctors of the church dreamt dreams and, as a result discovered the location of their holy bones and relics.
The ancient Christians speak to us from the archeology of their holy relic trade; a business model that persisted for more than a thousand years. In many places the turnstiles are $till turning. Today in the tertiary education sector of the church industry fiction speaks loudest from the field of patristics and the medieval manuscripts of the fabricated fathers, many a thousand years or more removed from being primary evidence. It's a crime scene. The crime is historical fraud by way of pious forgery. For the glory of the cult.
"Principles of Historical research need not be different
from criteria of common sense. And common sense teaches
us that outsiders must not tell insiders what they should
do. I shall therefore not discuss directly what biblical
scholars are doing. They are the insiders" (p.3)
///
"You may have as much rhetorical analysis as you consider
necessary, provided it leads to the establishment of the
truth - or to the admission that truth is regretfully
out of reach in a given case.
But it must be clear once for all that Judges and Acts,
Heroditus and Tacitus are historical texts to be examined
with the purpose of recovering the truth of the past.
Hence the interesting conclusion that the notion of forgery
has a different meaning in historiography than it has in
other branches of literature or of art. A creative writer
or artist perpetuates a forgery every time he intends
to mislead his public about the date and authorship
of his own work.
But only a historian can be guilty of forging evidence
or of knowingly used forged evidence in order to
support his own historical discourse. One is never
simple-minded enough about the condemnation of
forgeries. Pious frauds are frauds, for which one
must show no piety - and no pity." (p.7)
ON PAGANS, JEWS, and CHRISTIANS, Arnaldo Momigliano, 1987
Chapter 1:
Biblical Studies and Classical Studies
Simple Reflections upon Historical Method
http://mountainman.com.au/essenes/arnal ... STIANS.htm
from criteria of common sense. And common sense teaches
us that outsiders must not tell insiders what they should
do. I shall therefore not discuss directly what biblical
scholars are doing. They are the insiders" (p.3)
///
"You may have as much rhetorical analysis as you consider
necessary, provided it leads to the establishment of the
truth - or to the admission that truth is regretfully
out of reach in a given case.
But it must be clear once for all that Judges and Acts,
Heroditus and Tacitus are historical texts to be examined
with the purpose of recovering the truth of the past.
Hence the interesting conclusion that the notion of forgery
has a different meaning in historiography than it has in
other branches of literature or of art. A creative writer
or artist perpetuates a forgery every time he intends
to mislead his public about the date and authorship
of his own work.
But only a historian can be guilty of forging evidence
or of knowingly used forged evidence in order to
support his own historical discourse. One is never
simple-minded enough about the condemnation of
forgeries. Pious frauds are frauds, for which one
must show no piety - and no pity." (p.7)
ON PAGANS, JEWS, and CHRISTIANS, Arnaldo Momigliano, 1987
Chapter 1:
Biblical Studies and Classical Studies
Simple Reflections upon Historical Method
http://mountainman.com.au/essenes/arnal ... STIANS.htm