are these supposed to be sound arguments?
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Smith was a Christianity lover, then a Christianity hater.
Sure, I defend that statement.
Why misrepresent my position?
Sure, I defend that statement.
Why misrepresent my position?
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Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:53 am Ariel Sabar has given (Atlantic, April) relevant biographical information for his turn against religion and academic disappointments.
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:53 am His Harvard senior thesis shows interest in bitter humor of J. Swift (not to be confused with T. Swift).
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:53 am Peter Jeffrey has given examples of MS as unreliable narrator, such as page 10, forgetting he didn't go to vespers but saying he did.
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:53 am Those he most respected--Scholem, Nock, Liberman--did not defend Secret Mark.
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:53 am Prof. T. Gaster on MS as like a little boy who wished to write curse words all over the altar in church, and then get caught.
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:53 am If a monk wanted to record "Clement" why not do it instead in the Clement edition owned in Mar Saba?
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:53 am Why go to Mar Saba for rare items, when they were moved to Jerusalem?
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?
Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:53 amWhy hide this from monks, dribbling out the story later?
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You've represented your own position, SG.StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:58 pm Smith was a Christianity lover, then a Christianity hater.
Sure, I defend that statement.
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And, please, don't deflect.
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"If a monk wanted to record "Clement" why not do it instead in the Clement edition owned in Mar Saba?"
I already supported this today.
The 1715 two-volume folio edition of Clement attested at Mar Saba would be a much more plausible place to annotate a Clement addition then in a Voss Ignatius book, that is not attested as being at Mar Saba.
I could expand on others, but you already ignore my cumulative statement and my onus of proof statement, so can we take that one above or do you as owner here require a book length expansion?
I already supported this today.
The 1715 two-volume folio edition of Clement attested at Mar Saba would be a much more plausible place to annotate a Clement addition then in a Voss Ignatius book, that is not attested as being at Mar Saba.
I could expand on others, but you already ignore my cumulative statement and my onus of proof statement, so can we take that one above or do you as owner here require a book length expansion?
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"MS got early liturgy wrong." Wrong for what fit Clement in Egypt.
This, supported from, iirc, Robin Jenson (a Columbia grad, I think), and Peter Jeffrey, an early liturgy specialist, and a colleague prof of Smith's at Columbia.
This, supported from, iirc, Robin Jenson (a Columbia grad, I think), and Peter Jeffrey, an early liturgy specialist, and a colleague prof of Smith's at Columbia.
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Scholem, Nock, Lieberman, Gaster, and at least a couple of his students knew he was capable of this hoax.
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Scholem, Nock, Lieberman, Gaster, and at least a couple of his students knew he was capable of this hoax.
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What exactly did they "know" and how can we verify that this shows that he was "capable of this hoax"?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:20 pm Scholem, Nock, Lieberman, Gaster, and at least a couple of his students knew he was capable of this hoax.
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How does this support your opinion of the authorship of the document?StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:17 pm "MS got early liturgy wrong." Wrong for what fit Clement in Egypt.
This, supported from, iirc, Robin Jenson (a Columbia grad, I think), and Peter Jeffrey, an early liturgy specialist, and a colleague prof of Smith's at Columbia.