Monotheistic Dominance Theory and the Rise of Christianity

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Hi Philosopher Jay,

Earlier you wrote ....
  • "This insane dream led to the Jewish rebellions against Roman rule that ended with the Kochkbar War in 135 CE. Christianity started soon thereafter by rewriting the history of the Jewish Monotheistic Dominance movement and trying to blame the wars and their defeat on the moderate Jews who had opposed it"
I am certainly willing to entertain and thus explore the notion that these late 2nd century "creators who created the Jesus Christ tales were probably very much like Tarshis and the other Cosby accusers". However I don't see where CNN fits into the analog in antiquity. The way I have read your critical reporting and investigation of the "Demon Cosby Myth" the role of CNN (and other media outlets?) is pivotal and central. When applying this to the rise of Christianity which organisation was responsible for the mass media, and what form of media was used?

Are we to assume that there was a highly active, dynamic and influential "Christian National News" media outlet run by the ante-Nicene church organisation?

Otherwise how did these far out 2nd century "gospel stories" attract the conversions of the gentiles?




LC

jayraskin wrote:Hi All,

In thinking about a Monotheistic dominance movement using made up stories about Apostles, Jesuses and Christs, we should see the movement as the vehicle that spreads the stories. Where do the stories come from?
I think examining the Demon Cosby Myth again gives us a strong clue.
Here are two videos that are essential to understanding the process of Cosby Demonization:
The first is 3 minutes and 40 seconds. It is just a summary with excerpts of an interview that CNN had with Joan Tarshis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kz6hUQ_m2c
The second is an 11 minute video of Joan Tarshis describing her own mental history - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LA5Mymmqrk
Joan Tarshis was the first accuser of Cosby in 2014, telling her story starting around November 15, 2014. Cosby had been accused of drugging and assaulting five women in 2005/2006. Four of the women were widely discredited. Their charges were 20-30 years old (two had sold their stories to the National Enquirer for thousands of dollars. One was found to be mentally ill when she made the charge and another kept changing her story. The original accuser had filed a lawsuit for $150,000 when the police found no evidence to prosecute Cosby. That case dragged on for a year and a half and was settled out of court on unknown terms, before any testimony was taken. No new charges were made for eight years.
Then in October 2014, a black comedian in a comedy skit told how he had found the stories of the five accusers when he googled Cosby's name. He called Bill Cosby a "serial rapist". Then the Washington Post allowed one of the original discredited accusers to write an editorial making new charges against Cosby and famously asking "Why did it take so long for people to finally believe me?"
Three days later CNN ran the interview with the new accuser "Joan Tarshis." The self described "Publicist" Joan Tarshis was so good at publicizing her story, that 20 more women immediately claimed to be Cosby's victims in the following month. CNN and the mass media never told people the information in the second video.
The video of Joan Tarshis describing her mental history will probably be taken down in a few days. I suspect she has forgotten that she put it up in 2013. You might want to download it for your notes.

My guess is that the creators who created the Jesus Christ tales were probably very much like Tarshis and the other Cosby accusers.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin
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Hi Leucius Charinus,

Good questions.

Joan Tarshis as you could see in the video can be considered part of the Women's Dominance Movement. Her little mental health history routine ended with the point that an "Asian male" doctor misdiagnosed her and almost had her committed to a mental institution for life, but a woman doctor correctly diagnosed her and saved her life. The message - trust women, don't trust men. Men hurt, women help.

We should compare the women's dominance movement to the Jewish Monotheism Dominance movement. Both are flowing out of an oppressed group and their fantasies of power and glory. Both attract schizophrenic and bi-polar people.

The Cosby Demon Myth is like the Jesus apotheosis Myth. At first Demon Cosby was a normal man who just committed one or two errors and got caught. Then he became a full scale demon committing an enormous number of crimes all his life. At first Jesus was just a crucified Guy who rose from the dead, then, he became the man who showed the way to heaven and the Christ who came from heaven.

Joan told a female good doctor/male bad doctor Myth to begin with. Both myths fit into the Women's Dominance Movement. In the same way Jesus myths and Christ myths can fit in the monotheistic dominance movement. movement.

The analogy of CNN is problematic because ( as "Jesus Christ, Superstar" tells us) there was no mass media in First century Rome. Still there must have been ways for the Government to get its information out and to receive information. Perhaps it should be compared to the forum where people talked about public affairs




[quote="Leucius Charinus"]Hi Philosopher Jay,

Earlier you wrote ....
  • "This insane dream led to the Jewish rebellions against Roman rule that ended with the Kochkbar War in 135 CE. Christianity started soon thereafter by rewriting the history of the Jewish Monotheistic Dominance movement and trying to blame the wars and their defeat on the moderate Jews who had opposed it"
I am certainly willing to entertain and thus explore the notion that these late 2nd century "creators who created the Jesus Christ tales were probably very much like Tarshis and the other Cosby accusers". However I don't see where CNN fits into the analog in antiquity. The way I have read your critical reporting and investigation of the "Demon Cosby Myth" the role of CNN (and other media outlets?) is pivotal and central. When applying this to the rise of Christianity which organisation was responsible for the mass media, and what form of media was used?

Are we to assume that there was a highly active, dynamic and influential "Christian National News" media outlet run by the ante-Nicene church organisation?

Otherwise how did these far out 2nd century "gospel stories" attract the conversions of the gentiles?


LC
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jayraskin wrote:The analogy of CNN is problematic because ( as "Jesus Christ, Superstar" tells us) there was no mass media in First century Rome. Still there must have been ways for the Government to get its information out and to receive information. Perhaps it should be compared to the forum where talked talked about public affairs
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jayraskin wrote:The analogy of CNN is problematic because ( as "Jesus Christ, Superstar" tells us) there was no mass media in First century Rome. Still there must have been ways for the Government to get its information out and to receive information.
Hi Philosopher Jay,

The government is known to have received a certain number of incredibly persuasive letters from Christian apologists. You have already made a study of these in earlier posts, a study that I found to be very convincing. I can only suggest that these Christian apologists writing to the emperors of the 2nd century were somehow extremely effective in their propaganda. Your study also involved an analysis of the rescripts of Roman emperors and governors concerning the Christian cult and their legal status in the empire at this time.

A monotheistic dominance theory does go part of the way to explain why such a solution would appeal to the Roman government. Power and control. It may have taken time, more time than is currently estimated, for the Roman government to have attempted to encompass such a political reality. AFAIK it was not until the early 3rd century that the Roman government faced a committed monotheism in their dealings with Shapur I and an extremely vigorous Sassanid Persian monotheistic Zoroastrianism. At this time the Roman military machine suffered some very humiliating losses. This may well have shocked the Romans, with the result that they searched their own official records for the best monotheistic cult that they could find in their own empire.



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Re: Monotheistic Dominance Theory and the Rise of Christiani

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Hi Peter,

Great point. Every town had an agora where public arguments and debates took place, perhaps equivalent to social media today.
On the other hand, There were the House Churches and the scheduled meals that Paul describes. That may be compared to the tabloid meeting today. Since anybody could give their poetry or dream or babbling in tongues performance (that the writer of Paul hated), this talent show would have been a way of developing the talent needed to push Monotheistic Dominance.

At first, it probably didn't matter very much what kind of narratives you told. As long as you were monotheistic and attacking the Jewish hierarchy and Jewish laws, that is all that mattered. It was only much later that within the Jesus movement a polytheistic gnostic rivalry developed that orthodoxy was created.

One can see this tremendous different between the five Cosby accusers in 2005/6 and the recent 2014/5 accusers. We also see how each accuser brings their personal history into the story

In the 2005/6, there is no violence involved in the accusations. The first accuser, went over to his house late at night and asked for herbal medicine for stress. The drug is in medicine or cups of coffee for all these accusers. Either they wake up in time and quickly fight off Cosby, or they fall asleep and only learn the next morning what happened, or they suspect happened.

Starting with the first accuser in 2014, Joan Tarshis, that changes. She tells two stories and adds her own personal twists. She had a personal 20 year history of alcoholism, so Cosby slips the drug into a "red eye" drink he prepares for her both times. The first story is a repeat of the 2004/5 stories. She falls asleep and wakes up the next morning with no memory. However, the second story is quite different. Her second story actually takes place earlier in time. She gets drugged by a red-eye drink, but it does not render her unconscious for long. She wakes up to find Cosby undressing her. She says she has an infection and his wife will catch it. Cosby forces her to have oral sex. In the original telling of the story, Tarshis was not specific, saying that he used another orifice. This suggested anal sex or oral sex. She was leaving it up to the reader's imagination to choose. Apparently someone asked her which orifice and she was specific in her later retellings.
For the first time, the pornographic meme of a woman being forced to oral sex is used. The first image of Cosby just nonviolently tricking women into unconsciousness by drugs is replaced by the meme of Cosby being a violent oral rapist. On CNN the black interviewer stupidly asked her why she did not just bite his penis. There was a certain logic to this question as none of the other accusers had said he used any kind of force on them. He was expressing his doubt that violence had been used in this case. She answered that she didn't think of it. The interviewer was widely criticized for his question and people demanded he be fired. He apologized and he had Joan Tarshis on the next day, where she supported his right to question her, and he in turn said that he believed her. A network anchor for CNN told his audience that he believed Bill Cosby was a violent serial rapist.
This confirmation of Tarshis' story was exactly the opposite of what happened in 2005, where ABC News had said that according to a source in the police, they had found that the sex in the original case had been consensual.
After Tarshis opened the gates, more oral sex and violence stories followed. Thus we can divide all the later stories into the gnostic violent (generally oral-sex) type and the orthodox non-violent type, just drugging and 1. waking up to find evidence of sexual contact, or 2. waking up to fight off Cosby and escape. We can actually divide the Cosby myths into two types based on this, the Cosby Trickster Myths and the Cosby Demon Myths.
There are also a number of stories that do not rise to this level, but portray Cosby as just being a bad man. For example, stories that he auditioned actresses in private, or he "roughly kissed" one woman, or he grabbed a woman's breast in a public restaurant, or he told a story about drugging women. We can call these Cosby Bad Man Myths

In the same way, we have Jesus, good man myths, Jesus Angel or Magician Myths, and Jesus Son of God Myths.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin

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jayraskin wrote:The analogy of CNN is problematic because ( as "Jesus Christ, Superstar" tells us) there was no mass media in First century Rome. Still there must have been ways for the Government to get its information out and to receive information. Perhaps it should be compared to the forum where talked talked about public affairs
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Hi Leucius Charinus,

Yes, the pressure from the Sassanid Persians and Constantine's desire to reform a singular Roman Empire after it had been split into four essentially self-governing territories by Diocletian, is also important to consider.

The adoptation of the Judaeo-Christian Monotheistic Myth, even when divided into a three Gods-in-one scheme/flavor was a major revolution. It is what the monotheistic dominance movement had dreamed about for 300 years.

The victory of the woman's dominance movement in the Cosby case also represents a fantastic revolution. The original Feminist movement of the sixties fought for equality. It was only a very small radical group led my Valerie Solanas who issued the S.C.U.M. manifesto in 1968, calling all men rapists who needed to be castrated, that advocated for a new social order dominated and run by women. She later shot gay artist Andy Warhol.

Today, we have gone from most women not being believed when charging rape in the 1960's to each case being decided on the merits of the facts (1970 - early 2000's) to all women being immediately believed regardless of the facts in the case.

The role of Tabloid (gossip) mass media and the news (serious gossip) mass media in bringing this revolution about can be seen and examined.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin


Leucius Charinus wrote:
jayraskin wrote:The analogy of CNN is problematic because ( as "Jesus Christ, Superstar" tells us) there was no mass media in First century Rome. Still there must have been ways for the Government to get its information out and to receive information.
Hi Philosopher Jay,

The government is known to have received a certain number of incredibly persuasive letters from Christian apologists. You have already made a study of these in earlier posts, a study that I found to be very convincing. I can only suggest that these Christian apologists writing to the emperors of the 2nd century were somehow extremely effective in their propaganda. Your study also involved an analysis of the rescripts of Roman emperors and governors concerning the Christian cult and their legal status in the empire at this time.

A monotheistic dominance theory does go part of the way to explain why such a solution would appeal to the Roman government. Power and control. It may have taken time, more time than is currently estimated, for the Roman government to have attempted to encompass such a political reality. AFAIK it was not until the early 3rd century that the Roman government faced a committed monotheism in their dealings with Shapur I and an extremely vigorous Sassanid Persian monotheistic Zoroastrianism. At this time the Roman military machine suffered some very humiliating losses. This may well have shocked the Romans, with the result that they searched their own official records for the best monotheistic cult that they could find in their own empire.



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jayraskin wrote:
The role of Tabloid (gossip) mass media and the news (serious gossip) mass media in bringing this revolution about can be seen and examined.
Hi Philosopher Jay,

It would be interesting to think about all the tabloid and news media in the Roman Empire during the rise of early Christianity. The Roman State produced documents but also referred to them (such as the Sibylline Books) and must probably be regarded as the news media. Military news governed the scene from time to time. Local news and news from afar probably needs to be differentiated.

Other mass media outlets would include private libraries, of wealthy land owners, aristocrats etc. and the public libraries in the Roman Empire during the epoch in question. These had Greek and Latin sections. Stuff could get circulated and obviously did.

The theatres and amphitheatres were mass media outlets, the Hollywood of antiquity. These operated at local levels, city and country. Here books could be read to an audience, or plays performed, or orations and debates conducted.

One significant facet of the news media for the early Christians is apparently they almost always used the codex over the roll. This may be a significant aspect of the Christian media.


Looking at the success of the early Christians it would interesting to understand what forms of media they used and how. Whether on a regional basis or whether only as a development focussed in some of the major cities of the Roman Empire such as Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, etc.

A fascinating perspective to explore.

How did they do it?

What were their media outlets?

I think the analogy being presented here is extremely useful.

As I don't tune in to news media I am interested in your analysis of this Cosby case as it continues.






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Re: Monotheistic Dominance Theory and the Rise of Christiani

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Hi Leucius,

I agree that we need to look at the propagation of the Christian message through media and cultic ritual. The epistles, the hymns, the gospel stories and the ritual meals all have to be taken into account.

I have been found looking at the development of the Cosby Demon myth. There are a number of stages.
I think the political attacks against Cosby for not being militant enough and not do racial jokes as most other black comedians were doing in the 60's and 70's is an important stage. Cosby was pushing integration and racial equality peace and harmony, at the same time he was celebrating black culture. He is really the link between Dr. Martin Luther King and President Obama. Through his television shows, he actually created an incredible reversal of the racist image of blacks in American society.
However, the traitor charge would be revived in 2004 when he criticized rap music and gangster culture. He was criticized as a traitor by both whites and black for blaming poor blacks for their lifestyle choices instead of blaming racism and poverty. He was seen as both a hero and a traitor to his race.
I think this ambiguity is important. Today it is really hard to determine the message of the Jesus character. Was he a revolutionary Jewish nationalist or a reformer?

The political issues with Cosby are just the background to the Demon Cosby Myth.
I have identified three stages in that myth: 1) bad man Cosby, 2) trickster Cosby, 3) Demon Cosby.
These three stages come one after another in time

Bad man Cosby stage - 1998 -2000
1998 Autumn Jackson tries to extort $40 million dollars from Cosby, claiming she is his illegitimate daughter and threatening to reveal it to the world. Her mother Shawn Brown backs up the story. Cosby admits to a brief affair with Shawn Brown in the 1970's.
2000 Lachelle Covington, 20 year old regular Church goer, after an acting audition with Cosby, goes to the police with her parents and claims Cosby put her hand under his sweatshirt and "started to move it south." Since no sexual contact occurred by Covington's own admission, the police quickly dismissed the complaint. The following week Covington's father sold the story of how Cosby terrified his daughter and attempted to seduce her.

Trickster Cosby stage - 2005-2006
Five women claim Cosby drugged them and either may have had sex with them when they passed out. One said that she awoke to find Cosby trying to kiss and undress her. She said that she would rather die than have sex with him and threatened to throw a lamp at him, before he left. Each of them described one incident. None of them stated that sex took place. Cosby had simply tricked them (drugged them) where sex might have taken place. These accusers were Andrea Constand (who claimed the incident had happened 1 year before)Tamara Green (claimed it had happened 30 years before), Shawn Brown (mother of Autumn Jackson) who had been involved in the 1998 extortion (claimed it had happened 30 years before), Beth Ferrier and Barbara Bowman (two models from the same Denver modeling agency. They both said Jo Farrell, the head of the agency, introduced them to Cosby and sent them to New York (20 years before). Farrell categorically denied introducing any model to Cosby or sending any model to New York. Beth Ferrier additonally claims that she had a brief consensual affair with Cosby before the one drug and possible sexual assault charge. The brief consensual affair really belongs with the "bad man stage." Only now, instead of Shawn Brown's claim of an extramarital affair with a woman Cosby's own age, Ferrier now claims an extramarital affair with a woman 20 years younger).

Transition to Demon stage.
A trickster just tricks people for fun. A demon actually harms people because they are intrinsically evil. Barbara Bowman told a trickster story of being drugged and waking up vomiting into a toilet with Cosby holding her hair. She doesn't remember what happened, but she remembers wearing a different shirt. To this Bowman adds a story of Cosby and her getting into a fight a few weeks later in a hotel room and Cosby throwing her on a bed and unbuckling his belt buckle. She says that she will never forget the sound of that belt buckle unbuckling. She continued to struggle and Cosby lets her go. In a way this resembles Tamara Green story, but Tamara Green claims she woke up after being drugged and struggled with Cosby. Here there is no drugging and Cosby seems to have a magical belt. (ironically, this seems to be a reference to a magical belt that Bill Cosby talked about his father having on his comedy album "To Russell, my brother whom I slept with". We are now just starting to make a transition from a trickster to a demon.

Demon stage. November 2014 - Present
Bowman repeats her charges in a Washington Post editorial. Now, the story changes and she was also drugged before the hotel bed throwing incident. Bowman now changes her story.
and adds a consensual affair with Cosby just as model Ferrier had claimed in 2005. Only her consensual affair involved multiple drugging and rapes. In the editorial, she rhetorically asks why did nobody believe me for 30 years.
Two Days later, the first new accuser in nine years steps forward, Joan Tarshis. She tells of two separate incidents, like Bowman did in 2006, but she reverses them. Now the first incident is one of drugging and forced oral sex. Cosby is here a trickster-Demon. Like Bowman, she also meets with Cosby a few weeks later, and this time we get a simple drug-wake up in his bedroom not remembering anything story.
After this, the floodgate open and some 30 women accuse Cosby with "bad man" stories, "trickster stories" and "demon stories". Most of the accusers are models and actresses with histories of mental illness. There histories are never mentioned by the mass media who repeat their stories over and over again.

At the same time, media pundits write stories taking trivial incidents in Cosby's life which they claim prove the charges against him, most famously a four minute comedy bit wherein Cosby makes fun of the aphrodisiac "Spanish Fly." Political columnist also bring up Cosby's past as a traitor to blacks.

Certain women's groups use the Demon Cosby Myth to demand that all women be believed in all rape cases, which would give all women the power to jail any man at will.

In applying this to the history of Christianity, we should look for similar stages and there development - a good man stage, a wiseman/magician stage, and a deity (angel-God) stage.
Chronologically the stages come one after the other, but at the same time each stage continues to be developed by new stories. We might consider this as four stage.
1. Good man stage. (or perhaps a rebel, then a good man stage).
2. Wiseman/magician stage (or perhaps wiseman, then magician stage).
3. Deity stage (or perhaps an angel stage and God stage)
4. Complex stage where all the previous stages are enhanced.

Warmly,
Jay Raskin




quote="Leucius Charinus"]
jayraskin wrote:
The role of Tabloid (gossip) mass media and the news (serious gossip) mass media in bringing this revolution about can be seen and examined.
Hi Philosopher Jay,

It would be interesting to think about all the tabloid and news media in the Roman Empire during the rise of early Christianity. The Roman State produced documents but also referred to them (such as the Sibylline Books) and must probably be regarded as the news media. Military news governed the scene from time to time. Local news and news from afar probably needs to be differentiated.

Other mass media outlets would include private libraries, of wealthy land owners, aristocrats etc. and the public libraries in the Roman Empire during the epoch in question. These had Greek and Latin sections. Stuff could get circulated and obviously did.

The theatres and amphitheatres were mass media outlets, the Hollywood of antiquity. These operated at local levels, city and country. Here books could be read to an audience, or plays performed, or orations and debates conducted.

One significant facet of the news media for the early Christians is apparently they almost always used the codex over the roll. This may be a significant aspect of the Christian media.


Looking at the success of the early Christians it would interesting to understand what forms of media they used and how. Whether on a regional basis or whether only as a development focussed in some of the major cities of the Roman Empire such as Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, etc.

A fascinating perspective to explore.

How did they do it?

What were their media outlets?

I think the analogy being presented here is extremely useful.

As I don't tune in to news media I am interested in your analysis of this Cosby case as it continues.






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Dichotomy and Switch

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Hi All,

I am Still working on the Cosby Demon Mythology development. My latest understandings regards the importance of the National Enquirer in creating the Myth.
The National Enquirer is a small tabloid selling about 350,000 copies per week now, but at its height in the 1980's, it had the largest circulation of any newspaper in the United States, over five million. In 2000, it had a circulation of two million, which had fallen to one million in 2005.
They paid for the exclusive interviews to the stories of the first four out of five Cosby accusers.
The two main people involved were editor Barry Levine and writer Robin Mizrahi. As they were paying for the stories, they were able to shape the accusers stories as they wished. Levine treated Cosby as just another rapist who happened to use drugs to get the sex he wanted. Mizrahi portrayed Cosby as a druggist who didn't care about sex, but just used drugs to exert his power over women. It was Mizrahi's image of Cosby as the Svengali druggist manipulator that at least 20 of the 30 2014-2015 accusers used in their stories. With Mizrahi, the drugging became central to the story.
This allowed the story to leave the tabloids and become mainstream news. After all, wasn't Cosby a manipulative drug pusher when he sold jello and coke in national commercials?How much difference was there in believing that Cosby charmed or tricked women into taking drugs if he could charm or trick them into buying commercial products? Only 2 or 3 of the accusers say Cosby raped them without drugs. the rest say that Cosby drugged them and they woke up hours later not sure what had happened, or they say he drugged them and they woke up and fought him off. This allows two poles for debate to arise. Did Cosby get his kicks from drugging and manipulaing women or was that just incidental to his raping them.
Ashton Olsen (one of a pair of successful child actors known as the Olsen Twins) sued the National Enquirer for $40 million and specifically Levine and Mizrahi for a piece they did on her claiming that she was involved in a drug scandal. Levine was afraid that Cosby was going to sue them for another piece that Mizrahi had written on another accuser, Beth Ferrier. It also portrayed Cosby as someone who gained pleasure from drugging women. Levine killed Mizradi's story and replaced it with an interview with Cosby in which he denied the earlier drug and rape stories in the National Enquirer. Mizrahi gave the story which the National Enquirer didn't print to Andrea Constand's lawyers. Andrea Constand had a lawsuit against Cosby for drugging and possible sexual assault. Constand started a second lawsuit against the National Enquirer and Cosby's lawyers for running the Cosby piece. Thus, it seemed as if Constand was willing to stand up for her good name with a lawsuit against the National Enquirer, while Cosby's interview made it seem that he was in league with the dastardly National Enquirer.

Thus we are getting two poles between rape and drugs in the Cosby Demon Myth. People can debate across that instead of he debate of Cosby's guilt or innocence.
At the same time we are getting a fantastic switch, where Cosby goes from being persecuted by the National Enquirer and the rape accusers, to suddenly being seen as in league with the unwholesome National Enquirer against the rape accusers.

In the gospels, there is the same dichotomy between Jesus as supernatural angel/son of God and Jesus as man. This ambiguity allows two poles that people can debate across. The question of it jj
At the same time there is a switch in the attitude towards Judaism (which Jesus seems to be defending) and the Romans, where the Jews suddenly seem to be in league with the Romans against the truth teller Jesus.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin
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Hi Philosopher Jay,

Tarshis - a great writer of letters, but unbalanced with visions - sounds like "Paul".


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jayraskin wrote:Hi All,

In thinking about a Monotheistic dominance movement using made up stories about Apostles, Jesuses and Christs, we should see the movement as the vehicle that spreads the stories. Where do the stories come from?
I think examining the Demon Cosby Myth again gives us a strong clue.
Here are two videos that are essential to understanding the process of Cosby Demonization:
The first is 3 minutes and 40 seconds. It is just a summary with excerpts of an interview that CNN had with Joan Tarshis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kz6hUQ_m2c
The second is an 11 minute video of Joan Tarshis describing her own mental history - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LA5Mymmqrk
Joan Tarshis was the first accuser of Cosby in 2014, telling her story starting around November 15, 2014. Cosby had been accused of drugging and assaulting five women in 2005/2006. Four of the women were widely discredited. Their charges were 20-30 years old (two had sold their stories to the National Enquirer for thousands of dollars. One was found to be mentally ill when she made the charge and another kept changing her story. The original accuser had filed a lawsuit for $150,000 when the police found no evidence to prosecute Cosby. That case dragged on for a year and a half and was settled out of court on unknown terms, before any testimony was taken. No new charges were made for eight years.
Then in October 2014, a black comedian in a comedy skit told how he had found the stories of the five accusers when he googled Cosby's name. He called Bill Cosby a "serial rapist". Then the Washington Post allowed one of the original discredited accusers to write an editorial making new charges against Cosby and famously asking "Why did it take so long for people to finally believe me?"
Three days later CNN ran the interview with the new accuser "Joan Tarshis." The self described "Publicist" Joan Tarshis was so good at publicizing her story, that 20 more women immediately claimed to be Cosby's victims in the following month. CNN and the mass media never told people the information in the second video.
The video of Joan Tarshis describing her mental history will probably be taken down in a few days. I suspect she has forgotten that she put it up in 2013. You might want to download it for your notes.

My guess is that the creators who created the Jesus Christ tales were probably very much like Tarshis and the other Cosby accusers.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin
A "cobbler of fables" [Augustine]; "Leucius is the disciple of the devil" [Decretum Gelasianum]; and his books "should be utterly swept away and burned" [Pope Leo I]; they are the "source and mother of all heresy" [Photius]
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