"Mark"=Simple Fish Story or Smooth Sualvific and Deboanerges

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Verse 2
23 And it came to pass, that he was going on the sabbath day through the grainfields; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
3
1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there who had his hand withered.
2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
6 And the Pharisees went out, and straightway with the Herodians took counsel against him, how they might destroy him.
Subject Shabbat Shabbat Shabbat
Opposition Pharisees Pharisees Pharisees
Opposition ID the Pharisees they the Pharisees


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Verse 2
6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak? he blasphemeth: who can forgive sins but one, [even] God?
2
15 And it came to pass, that he was sitting at meat in his house, and many publicans and sinners sat down with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.
16 And the scribes of the Pharisees, when they saw that he was eating with the sinners and publicans, said unto his disciples, [How is it] that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
18 And John`s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting: and they[scribes] come and say unto him, Why do John's disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?
19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the sons of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
Subject Atonement Atonement Atonement
Opposition Scribes Scribes Scribes
Opposition ID the Scribes the Scribes they



Verse 2
23 And it came to pass, that he was going on the sabbath day through the grainfields; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
3
1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there who had his hand withered.
2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
6 And the Pharisees went out, and straightway with the Herodians took counsel against him, how they might destroy him.
Subject Shabbat Shabbat Shabbat
Opposition Pharisees Pharisees Pharisees
Opposition ID the Pharisees they the Pharisees


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Cooking A Gospel With Chief El

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Frame
1:45 But he went out, and began to publish it much, and to spread abroad the matter, insomuch that Jesus could no more openly enter into a city, but was without in desert places: and they came to him from every quarter.
Atonement
Verse 2
6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak? he blasphemeth: who can forgive sins but one, [even] God?
2
15 And it came to pass, that he was sitting at meat in his house, and many publicans and sinners sat down with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.
16 And the scribes of the Pharisees, when they saw that he was eating with the sinners and publicans, said unto his disciples, [How is it] that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
18 And John`s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting: and they[scribes] come and say unto him, Why do John's disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?
19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the sons of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
Subject Atonement Atonement Atonement
Opposition Scribes Scribes Scribes
Opposition ID the Scribes the Scribes they


Shabbat
Verse 2
23 And it came to pass, that he was going on the sabbath day through the grainfields; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
3
1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there who had his hand withered.
2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
6 And the Pharisees went out, and straightway with the Herodians took counsel against him, how they might destroy him.
Subject Shabbat Shabbat Shabbat
Opposition Pharisees Pharisees Pharisees
Opposition ID the Pharisees they the Pharisees

Frame
3:7 And Jesus with his disciples withdrew to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed; and from Judaea,
8 and from Jerusalem, and from Idumaea, and beyond the Jordan, and about Tyre and Sidon, a great multitude, hearing what great things he did, came unto him.
Very simple, very easy, very nicea.


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Undress For Success

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Verse 10
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20 And he said unto him, Teacher, all these things have I observed from my youth.
21 And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
14
51 And a certain young man followed with him, having a linen cloth cast about him, over [his] naked [body]: and they lay hold on him;
52 but he left the linen cloth, and fled naked.
16
5 And entering into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, arrayed in a white robe; and they were amazed.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not amazed: ye seek Jesus, the Nazarene, who hath been crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold, the place where they laid him!
7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter, He goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
Formula for Success 1. Give away everything
2. Follow Jesus
1. Young man possessed nothing.
2. Followed live Jesus.
After death - Promote following Jesus

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"Young man/youth" may be a textual Marker intended to connect a common theme. The author may be indicating that no one properly followed live Jesus. Only dead Jesus was properly followed. Note that the related Secret Mark excerpt goes against this with the rich young man successfully following live Jesus and explicitly earning the reward of Da Kingdom.


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Passionately Crucifying

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JW:

Note that consistency in narrative is evidence of an original composition. To the extent there was no previous narrative of the same basic story there would be less pressure to edit compared to subsequent Gospels. In the setting of early Christianity, the original story is likely smoother.

Gospel GMark GMatthew GLuke GJohn
First ID of Passionate Opposition 14
43 And straightway, while he yet spake, cometh Judas, one of the twelve, and with him a multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and the scribes and the elders.
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Commentary 8
31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Consistent. The prediction matches the fulfillment. How does it compare in the other Gospels?
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JW:

Note that consistency in narrative is evidence of an original composition. To the extent there was no previous narrative of the same basic story there would be less pressure to edit compared to subsequent Gospels. In the setting of early Christianity, the original story is likely smoother.

Gospel GMark GMatthew GLuke GJohn
First ID of Passionate Opposition 14
43 And straightway, while he yet spake, cometh Judas, one of the twelve, and with him a multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and the scribes and the elders.
26
47 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priest and elders of the people.
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Commentary 8
31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Consistent. The prediction matches the fulfillment. How does it compare in the other Gospels?
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21 From that time began Jesus to show unto his disciples, that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up.
1. Inconsistency = "chief priest" verses "chief priests".
2. Inconsistency = no scribes verses scribes.
So what is a reasonable explanation?
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