No, I havent said that. For most myths of this period, oral teaching is probably a generation or two (30-75 years) before the script begins to circulate widely. Appearance (first notice) might be sooner.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:06 amMy question re the date of the Gospel of Mark was intended to point out that your claim about some apparent standard of there being 2 to 3 gens of orality before a text makes its appearance actually puts the gospel of Mark very late. ... I was looking for some method that might apply to different types of texts that could justify the 2 or 3 generation claim. It sounds like an assumption especially tailored to fit conventional biblical studies.
I wasn't thinking of 'Mark', rather Basilides. Though I date Basilides c.125 AD, the range is 120-140 AD; 117 AD is sometimes given. Nothing I've read suggests Basilides is necessarily dependent on GMark either.billd89 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:31 amI don't buy into all this Late Dating; by the time smthg is recorded in script its been in existence orally a generation or two earlier. And Alexandrian Xtian Gnosticism is far too advanced & complex c.125 AD to support 'Late Gospels': foundational material should be 2-3 generations older.
125 AD - 60 = 65 AD; Where 'Mark' is widely assumed as early as 64 AD that possibly fits, a Q document would be even older, 10-20yrs.
140 AD - 90 = 50 AD; on the Quelle, obv.
It's a useful metric for me, approximate, my yardstick. The real question is: what/where is the Gnostic oral tradition leading to Basilides' teachings, a generation or two before 125 AD? That's what interests me. I'm fairly convinced it's Jewish Gnosticism before 70 AD.
I am well-aware that 'consensus' is something of a misnomer in MOST cases it's used. For example: 'group consensus' means ALL members agree (or at least, Do Not Oppose) a decision or point. It shouldn't mean 'majority view' - but it does. Usage.
The conventional model(s) for dating Christian origins seems reasonable to me. The 'Gnostic' scholars are, by contrast, very sloppy and all over the map.