'N what about Jairus' Daughter? Lazarus?

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Re: 'N what about Jairus' Daughter? Lazarus?

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outhouse wrote:
Charles Wilson wrote:Mark 15: 39 (RSV):
[39] And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that he thus breathed his last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"
The End.

Outhouse: Y/N/M?
N
Fiction, but not the end.

Knowing it is a compilation makes It hard to rush into redaction or interpolation.
There are, however, other features that provide analysis.
http://www.michaelturton.com/Mark/GMark15.html
Michael Turton wrote: The original Markan structure has been corrupted. Here is my final revision of this very complex chiastic structure:
[NOTE: Chiasitc Structure is given for the lengthy Passage]
Looking at the structure as a whole, much becomes clear. The three women in the A' brackets are there to balance the three men in the A bracket. In all likelihood neither was present at this scene; at least some individuals are inventions of the writer.

There is something wrong with the B bracket; either 15:39 is interpolated, or a verse was removed. Matthew 27:36 also offers: "then they sat down and kept watch over him there" which may have been moved in Matthew, and constituted the original B bracket, opposed to the Centurion's B' bracket. However, the most likely solution is that Matthew has faithfully followed Mark here, and the original C bracket looked like this:
C
_____A And they offered him wine mingled with myrrh; but he did not take it.
_____B And they crucified him,
_____C and divided his garments among them, casting lots for them, to decide what each should take
_____D [then they sat down and kept watch over him there.] (Mt 27:36)

This beautifully opposes:

C'
_____A And some of the bystanders hearing it said, "Behold, he is calling Eli'jah."And one ran and, filling a sponge full of vinegar, put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, "Wait, let us see whether Eli'jah will come to take him down."
_____B and Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed his last.
_____C And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.
_____D And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that he thus breathed his last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"

Over time one element has become lost in Mark; that would not be unprecedented, as a similar situation obtains in Mark 14:47-48. There is a manuscript that has "And they were guarding him" at 15:25, so perhaps that was originally part of the text. Or else 15:39 is interpolated. Take your pick..."
Important Note: I have made much of the Term "Fourth Watch". It is (at least) a Roman Military Term. The Jewish Soldiers used 3 Watches. This one just hit me over the head:
"And it was the third hour when they crucified him."
Michael Turton wrote: 1. Matthew has no reference to the third hour. If you return to Mark 13 you will see:

13: 35: Watch therefore -- for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrow, or in the morning --

The writer of Mark has provided the timetable for the arrest, trial, denial, and trial of Jesus, setting up careful three hour intervals that are finished up in the 3-6-9 structure of the Crucifixion. This passage is not in Matthew 24-5, which parallels Mark 13....
Besides offering another small slice of Markan Priority, this is also giving evidence of a rewrite of the JEWISH Story which was built around the Third Watch - [Evening - First Watch] - [Midnight - Second Watch] - ["Cock Crow" - Third Watch]. See previous Post. "Cock Crow" is, if I recall correctly, a Roman Verbal Device. With "...in the morning..." supplying the addition (See also: "Death of Otho"), the author - though not the FINAL Arbiter - gives a very subtle rewrite that hides intent. Matthew completes the Hiding.
Toejam wrote:While it's not the interpretation I think is most likely, one can certainly read Mark's version of the Jairus' daughter scene and walk away from it thinking that the girl wasn't dead. It comes down to how literally or cheekily one reads Jesus' comment, "the child is not dead but sleeping". Taken literally, Jesus is correcting those who think she has died.
A most important point. It is Jairus, a President of the Synagogue, who asks "Jesus" to heal his Daughter. I invite you to see this as a POLITICAL statement of a Movement that was ended 12 years prior to this Scene. "Jairus' Daughter" is NOT dead, according to Jairus. The Political Movement may yet live. The Jewish Priest whom Jairus approaches accepts the Offer and attempts to "Revive the Girl". The Priest marches to his Death.

CW
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