Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:27 am
"What you say is defamatory. I will report you for this to both Mr Carrier and to this website's administrator."
LOL how is what I just said defamatory? I made a joke about being Carrier just fooling you guys this whole time ROFL. But yeah, go tell your daddy Carrier about this. Also, no need for excuses on why you didn't report Neil for his two identifications of me, one of which he then deleted (but is already on record in my own response) because it was against the rules. Just admit your bias dude. P.S. Hansen calling himself a "historicist" makes HIM a historicist, I've literally never seen any other person in my life describe themselves this way. If he wants to identify himself with a particular camp alongside mythicism, he can go straight ahead. Just don't pretend like the average dude who doesn't think Paul mentioned space sperm is a "historicist" anymore than that anyone who thinks anyone else existed is a "historicist" for that figure or that there are "Muhammad historicists". There aren't, there are Muhammad deniers and people who don't deny Muhammad's existence. Muhammad denialism has some interesting common patterns with Jesus denialism, it just shows how the same failed principles can be applied to multiple people.
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P.S. Neil, you totally misrepresented what I wrote. Good job.
"According to K's logic, if I point out misguided criticisms of the radicalization process and ideological aims of Islamist terrorists, then in K's logic I must be a supporter of Islamist terrorists. (And of course, I have done just that and been accused of that, too. That's how it goes.)"
Nah, totally false dude. Read closely:
1. You have posted BAJILLIONS of blog posts responding to EVERYONE who has ever dared criticize Carrier
2. You have posted, literally, to my knowledge, NONE trying to debunk Carrier's theories despite what you just now claim to be a literal mass of things you disagree with him on
How the hell else can I describe someone who never writes anything against one particular person, but a million things in favour of them for every critic there is? A fanboy. By the way, you should let us know a little more about those points you brought up. You disagree on NAZARETH? What does that mean, that you believe in the fraud claims of Rene Salm which O'Neill wiped off the map? (Yes ABuddhist, I mentioned O'Neill again. Eat it.) And what do you mean on "HIS explanation" for Gal. 4:4? Do you have a different tactic for getting rid of it, i.e. interpolation based on literally not a figment of actual evidence? I could ask more about all those points, but I really want you to actually explain what you mean by those disagreements. Because I really wonder if that list is real in any sense, i.e. your disagreements aren't on the topic in general but you just find different absurd routes for coming to the same crazy conclusions. IS that list real? I find it hard to believe it is and, unless you actually give any sort of detail on those points, I think it's probably much more probable to say with your blog post history that you just find different tactics for arriving at roughly an identical conclusion.
Great, you agree with Carrier's literal pseudoscience on Bayes theorem. That makes you a believer in pseudoscience. Sorry dude, you can't just pull numbers out of your arse and then stick them into a model. Oh yeah, and Carrier blatantly manipulated (and here I mean literally changed, without telling anyone in his book that he was doing so or why) multiple criteria in the RR hero class to make Jesus fit into it. By the actual, original criteria, Jesus isn't an RR hero. Like, at all. But he IS an RC Hero, and by "RC" I mean "Richard Carrier" given that Carrier rewrote the criteria to force-fit Jesus into it, just so he could pull a "background probability" out of his arse to stick it into the theorem. Carrier claims that Romans 1:3 is 4:1 in favour of Jesus, which is just blatantly ridiculous. It completely wipes the whole celestial crap off the map, it would be far more honest to make it 400:1 in favour of Jesus LOL.
"I take the existence of Jesus as a non-starter. The evidence for his existence is simply not comparable to evidence we have for very minor persons by comparison in ancient times."
Totally and blatantly false, the evidence for Jesus exceeds pretty much every comparable figure from that time. The only people who can even be claimed to start to compare with Jesus in comparable circumstances are people who, by luck, were contemporaries of Josephus. Because Josephus is the only surviving historian of ancient Judea for the 1st century. But everyone else who comes before Josephus has zero contemporary people who wrote about them. But there IS a contemporary of Jesus who wrote about him: Paul. Mythicists tend to blatantly forget the fact that Paul and Jesus were contemporaries, and that Paul knew mountains more of Jesus' contemporaries and literal own family.
P.S. Also +1 to what ABuddhist says, show us your specific blogposts criticizing Carrier given you have mountains of (a few of them now refuted) blog posts criticizing literally anyone who has dared to disagree with him over a decade or something.
LOL how is what I just said defamatory? I made a joke about being Carrier just fooling you guys this whole time ROFL. But yeah, go tell your daddy Carrier about this. Also, no need for excuses on why you didn't report Neil for his two identifications of me, one of which he then deleted (but is already on record in my own response) because it was against the rules. Just admit your bias dude. P.S. Hansen calling himself a "historicist" makes HIM a historicist, I've literally never seen any other person in my life describe themselves this way. If he wants to identify himself with a particular camp alongside mythicism, he can go straight ahead. Just don't pretend like the average dude who doesn't think Paul mentioned space sperm is a "historicist" anymore than that anyone who thinks anyone else existed is a "historicist" for that figure or that there are "Muhammad historicists". There aren't, there are Muhammad deniers and people who don't deny Muhammad's existence. Muhammad denialism has some interesting common patterns with Jesus denialism, it just shows how the same failed principles can be applied to multiple people.
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P.S. Neil, you totally misrepresented what I wrote. Good job.
"According to K's logic, if I point out misguided criticisms of the radicalization process and ideological aims of Islamist terrorists, then in K's logic I must be a supporter of Islamist terrorists. (And of course, I have done just that and been accused of that, too. That's how it goes.)"
Nah, totally false dude. Read closely:
1. You have posted BAJILLIONS of blog posts responding to EVERYONE who has ever dared criticize Carrier
2. You have posted, literally, to my knowledge, NONE trying to debunk Carrier's theories despite what you just now claim to be a literal mass of things you disagree with him on
How the hell else can I describe someone who never writes anything against one particular person, but a million things in favour of them for every critic there is? A fanboy. By the way, you should let us know a little more about those points you brought up. You disagree on NAZARETH? What does that mean, that you believe in the fraud claims of Rene Salm which O'Neill wiped off the map? (Yes ABuddhist, I mentioned O'Neill again. Eat it.) And what do you mean on "HIS explanation" for Gal. 4:4? Do you have a different tactic for getting rid of it, i.e. interpolation based on literally not a figment of actual evidence? I could ask more about all those points, but I really want you to actually explain what you mean by those disagreements. Because I really wonder if that list is real in any sense, i.e. your disagreements aren't on the topic in general but you just find different absurd routes for coming to the same crazy conclusions. IS that list real? I find it hard to believe it is and, unless you actually give any sort of detail on those points, I think it's probably much more probable to say with your blog post history that you just find different tactics for arriving at roughly an identical conclusion.
Great, you agree with Carrier's literal pseudoscience on Bayes theorem. That makes you a believer in pseudoscience. Sorry dude, you can't just pull numbers out of your arse and then stick them into a model. Oh yeah, and Carrier blatantly manipulated (and here I mean literally changed, without telling anyone in his book that he was doing so or why) multiple criteria in the RR hero class to make Jesus fit into it. By the actual, original criteria, Jesus isn't an RR hero. Like, at all. But he IS an RC Hero, and by "RC" I mean "Richard Carrier" given that Carrier rewrote the criteria to force-fit Jesus into it, just so he could pull a "background probability" out of his arse to stick it into the theorem. Carrier claims that Romans 1:3 is 4:1 in favour of Jesus, which is just blatantly ridiculous. It completely wipes the whole celestial crap off the map, it would be far more honest to make it 400:1 in favour of Jesus LOL.
"I take the existence of Jesus as a non-starter. The evidence for his existence is simply not comparable to evidence we have for very minor persons by comparison in ancient times."
Totally and blatantly false, the evidence for Jesus exceeds pretty much every comparable figure from that time. The only people who can even be claimed to start to compare with Jesus in comparable circumstances are people who, by luck, were contemporaries of Josephus. Because Josephus is the only surviving historian of ancient Judea for the 1st century. But everyone else who comes before Josephus has zero contemporary people who wrote about them. But there IS a contemporary of Jesus who wrote about him: Paul. Mythicists tend to blatantly forget the fact that Paul and Jesus were contemporaries, and that Paul knew mountains more of Jesus' contemporaries and literal own family.
P.S. Also +1 to what ABuddhist says, show us your specific blogposts criticizing Carrier given you have mountains of (a few of them now refuted) blog posts criticizing literally anyone who has dared to disagree with him over a decade or something.