Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:
JoeWallack wrote:KK, I've revealed to you how the game is played. Now go to work Pal. Your mission is to bring the Spiritual Gospel of Paul/"Mark" to the Gentile Germans.
Yes, I have learned more from you than from the Ehrmans and Carriers of this faithless generation. But first I want, that you sternly charge me and throw out me und say: See that you say nothing to anyone.
As the Sheriff said to Lilli Von Schtupp in the classic Blazing Saddles
, "Bitter baby".
29 And he asked them, But who say ye that I am? Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
32 And he spake the saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
33 But he turning about, and seeing his disciples, rebuked Peter, and saith, Get thee behind me, Satan; for thou mindest not the things of God, but the things of men.
This is the point (so to speak) in the original Gospel narrative where "Mark's" (author) Jesus goes turnT
, also known as the Recognition scene in Greek Tragedy
To summarize, "Mark's" Jesus orders his supposed disciples not to promote his life (Teaching & Healing Ministry per "Mark"). In contrast "Mark" lays an implication that Jesus' followers are supposed to promote his death, after he dies, with the party line =
-  Suffering prophesied
Rejection by the Jewish leaders
Rise after 3 days
As usual we can be certain that "Mark's" source here was not historical witness so that opens it up for a non-historical literary source =
1 Corinthians 2
1 And I, brethren, when I came unto you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 We speak wisdom, however, among them that are fullgrown: yet a wisdom not of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, who are coming to nought:
7 but we speak God`s wisdom in a mystery, [even] the [wisdom] that hath been hidden, which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory:
8 which none of the rulers of this world hath known: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory:
9 but as it is written, Things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, And [which] entered not into the heart of man, Whatsoever things God prepared for them that love him.
As always note the parallels here between Paul and "Mark" that CBS generally rejects as significant are significantly better than the parallels between The Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible that CBS sees as significant. Paul does not mention the resurrection here because that goes against the suffering theme and the revelation after the supposed historical theme.
My own historical explanation is that there was historical disciple witness to a Jesus' Teaching & Healing Ministry but it was still based in traditional Judaism. Paul exported Judaism to the Gentiles but emphasized his image of Jesus over traditional Judaism. Regarding Jesus' supposed life he could not compete with historical witness to Jesus so in a Pee Wee Herman type moment he claimed a policy of intentionally not talking about Jesus' life but only talking about Jesus' supposed death (he meant to do that) and its supposed meaning where he could not be so easily contradicted by historical witness. Paul/Fake Paul's commercial appeal was exporting supposed Judaism, but exorcising the tedious rituals, emphasizing life after death and going after a much larger customer base. The rest is fake history.
The related message of Paul's 1 Corinthians is that based on revelation from God Paul made a policy decision not to discuss Jesus' life but only his crucifixion and its meaning. "Mark" used this as a major theme showing his Jesus as forbidding everyone, including spirits (from Paul of course), from promoting his Teaching & Healing Ministry while it was supposedly happening, but implying that Jesus' passion (and resurrection) was to be promoted after it supposedly happened.
Sadly, CBS generally exorcises non-orthodox Christianity from consideration as possible source. But we have an entire early major Christian institution that did see Paul effectively as the source for the original Gospel narrative. Too easy for Solo to identify so bonus material for Solo. Mark well verse 3 above and tell me where it Ends in GMark. I tell you the truth, you than do not have to go all the way to Galilee to find the nearby "gar" you are looking for (it is not here in the body of this post).