Aretas V

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Re: Aretas V

Post by lclapshaw »

maryhelena wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:36 am
lclapshaw wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:23 am
maryhelena wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 10:55 pm
Giuseppe wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 8:46 pm I have talked about FACTS and logical implications from FACTS.

No trace of interpretation.
Greg Doudna is using 2 Cor.11.32 to rewrite Nabataean history.

Now I want to be clear here. From the Nabataean evidence, we have a queen and we know her name. By inference we also have a king with her and we have plausibility that it could be Aretas V but we do not know that from the Nabataean evidence alone. Confirmation that that king was Aretas V comes from 2 Corinthians 11, which supplies the name and completes the argument. ... f_69_70_CE

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2 Cor. 11.32 is being used as 'confirmation' for the existence of Aretas V.

A NT Christian origin story is being used, being interpreted, as 'confirmation' of an Aretas V. Without an interpretation of 2 Cor.11.32 Greg has no way to support his theory of an Aretas V. By all means suggest the 'plausibility' that there 'could be' an Aretas V - but 2 Cor. 11.32 has it's own problems with historicity of Paul in Damascus and is thus an unstable base for 'confirmation' for secular Natabaean history.

If historical evidence turns up tomorrow that Aretas V was king of the Nabataeans in 69-70 CE - and that he controlled Damascus - well then, Greg has hit the jackpot and is then able to interpret 2 Cor. 11.32 as a reference to this Aretas V. Until such a time - the only Natabaean Aretas that controlled Damascus was Aretas III.
Except for 3 years from 72 - 69 BCE.
Already mentioned in earlier post..

Natabaean history has Aretas II ruling Damascus. (85 b.c. to 72 b.c. and from 69 b.c. to around 63/62 b.c.)

The ruler of Damascus between 72 b.c. and 69 b.c. was Tigranes II.

Nabataean rule of Damascus was interrupted in 72 BCE by a successful siege led by the Armenian king Tigranes II. Armenian rule of the city ended in 69 BCE when Tigranes' forces were pulled out to deal with a Roman attack on the Armenian capital, allowing Aretas to re-take the city.

So - 'the only Natabaean Aretas that controlled Damascus was Aretas III'....
Exactly. In the 1st century BCE. :thumbup:
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