Canonical Paul, Acts, and Justin VS Paul, Valentinus, and Marcion

[Jax]

Not just Horos in the Valentianian system but [sometimes, at least] Horos-Stauros, with Stauros being a god and stauros being the Greek word meaning cross and manifestations of it meaning crucifixion.

Correct, Horos means "Limiter" and Stauros means "Cross." They're both important names, and it explains the character of the Cross (Stauros) in the apocrypha.

The idea of a limit of the heavens that is a cross goes back to Plato, who sees in the cross of the solar and planetary orbits the Greek letter Chi ("X").

Hey Peter, do you know offhand how the character of the cross was rendered in the apocrypha? Did they use the word stauros or did they use the letter Chi?

Swete's Greek text of gPeter has stauros.

IIRC, some of the Nag Hammadi Coptic texts treat the word for cross as one of the "nomina sacra" (with abbreviation).

The Greek letter Tau seems like it was more closely associated with the Christian cross:

Epistle of Barnabas

For the scripture saith; And Abraham circumcised of his household
eighteen males and three hundred. What then was the knowledge
given unto him? Understand ye that He saith the eighteen first,
and then after an interval three hundred In the eighteen 'I'
stands for ten, 'H' for eight. Here thou hast JESUS (IHSOYS). And
because the cross in the 'T' was to have grace, He saith also three
hundred. So He revealeth Jesus in the two letters, and in the
remaining one the cross.

Interesting. Do you recall if the abbreviation was Chi followed by a noun case ending like U?

[Peter Kirby]

Not just Horos in the Valentianian system but [sometimes, at least] Horos-Stauros, with Stauros being a god and stauros being the Greek word meaning cross and manifestations of it meaning crucifixion.

Correct, Horos means "Limiter" and Stauros means "Cross." They're both important names, and it explains the character of the Cross (Stauros) in the apocrypha.

The idea of a limit of the heavens that is a cross goes back to Plato, who sees in the cross of the solar and planetary orbits the Greek letter Chi ("X").

Hey Peter, do you know offhand how the character of the cross was rendered in the apocrypha? Did they use the word stauros or did they use the letter Chi?

Swete's Greek text of gPeter has stauros.

IIRC, some of the Nag Hammadi Coptic texts treat the word for cross as one of the "nomina sacra" (with abbreviation).

The Greek letter Tau seems like it was more closely associated with the Christian cross:

Epistle of Barnabas

For the scripture saith; And Abraham circumcised of his household
eighteen males and three hundred. What then was the knowledge
given unto him? Understand ye that He saith the eighteen first,
and then after an interval three hundred In the eighteen 'I'
stands for ten, 'H' for eight. Here thou hast JESUS (IHSOYS). And
because the cross in the 'T' was to have grace, He saith also three
hundred. So He revealeth Jesus in the two letters, and in the
remaining one the cross.

Interesting. Do you recall if the abbreviation was Chi followed by a noun case ending like U?

I don't remember the details.... and remember I said Coptic.

[Ben C. Smith]

Interesting. Do you recall if the abbreviation was Chi followed by a noun case ending like U?

This may help: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7828&p=121435#p121435.

And Coptic does not have noun cases. So they tend to be the nominative, as one would expect, when they are contractions.

[Jax]

Interesting. Do you recall if the abbreviation was Chi followed by a noun case ending like U?

This may help: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7828&p=121435#p121435.

And Coptic does not have noun cases. So they tend to be the nominative, as one would expect, when they are contractions.

Ah, yes.

Thanks Ben.

Lane