billd89 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 8:08 am
Charles Wilson wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:50 pm All we need to do is find an "Objective Calendar" for calculating purposes. The "Julian Day Calendar" f'rinstance. We need to find an Objective Sighting of the New Moon and there are the US Naval Observatory Calculations for that.
D. Note that we are participating in the War of the Calendars with this. Eisenman and Wise note that the Qumran Group used the Mishmarot Rotations as a Check on the various Holy Days. They wanted to Mandate their Solar Calendar when they took over in Jerusalem.
...What we have left is the submerged Story of the Mishmarot Priesthood, with Clues left by those who wrote after the Fall of the Temple. ...
The Realm of Heaven must be a Real, Physical Place.
Astronomical observatory & roof deck room for calculations, at the Temple complex? Who were the astronomers, then?
Or do you mean a topos, a celestial palace, beyond the spheres? (In what dimension, pray tell?)
billd89!!!
Let me try to be very explicit here. I have asserted that the NT,
especially early Mark, is built around the death of Herod a week or so before the Passover of 4 BCE. There was a Coup planned by the Priesthood - NOT the High Priest and his crowd. The Priesthood.
In the week that leads up to Passover and the Feast, a man named Ptolemy, brother of Nicholas of Damascus, produces a NEW WILL from Herod. Herod is conveniently in Jericho at this time. Ptolemy is KEEPER OF HEROD'S SEAL. You can Prove each point in this paragraph with external sources, principally Josephus.
OK?
The Will specifies that Herod's son, Archelaus, will take over should Herod die.
How Convenient.
Archelaus is in Jerusalem at this Passover. The Priests are performing "Perfect Sacrifices" in anticipation of God descending to them and eliminating the Herodians and the Romans. Leviticus 26 reads as a Perfect Model for what will happen. The Blasphemous Eagle will be cut down and the Rightful Rule of the Priesthood will be restored, the Temple will be Re-Dedicated and the Rule of God will be reasserted.
OK?
Evidently, the Coup was well known and the week after Herod's death is given to preparation for the Counter-Revolution.
At night of Passover, "...around the fourth Watch", Archelaus - or his Assigns - order in the Troops. 3000 are murdered.
Josephus, War..., 2, 1, 3:
"At these clamors Archelaus was provoked, but restrained himself from taking vengeance on the authors, on account of the haste he was in of going to Rome, as fearing lest, upon his making war on the multitude, such an action might detain him at home.
Accordingly, he made trial to quiet the innovators by persuasion, rather than by force, and sent his general in a private way to them, and by him exhorted them to be quiet. But the seditious threw stones at him, and drove him away, as he came into the temple, and before he could say any thing to them. The like treatment they showed to others, who came to them after him, many of which were sent by Archelaus, in order to reduce them to sobriety, and these answered still on all occasions after a passionate manner; and it openly appeared that they would not be quiet, if their numbers were but considerable. And indeed, at the feast of unleavened bread, which was now at hand, and is by the Jews called the Passover, and used to he celebrated with a great number of sacrifices, an innumerable multitude of the people came out of the country to worship; some of these stood in the temple bewailing the Rabbins [that had been put to death], and procured their sustenance by begging, in order to support their sedition. At this Archclaus was aftrighted, and privately sent a tribune, with his cohort of soldiers, upon them, before the disease should spread over the whole multitude, and gave orders that they should constrain those that began the tumult, by force, to be quiet.
At these the whole multitude were irritated, and threw stones at many of the soldiers, and killed them; but the tribune fled away wounded, and had much ado to escape so. After which they betook themselves to their sacrifices, as if they had done no mischief; nor did it appear to Archelaus that the multitude could be restrained without bloodshed; so he sent his whole army upon them, the footmen in great multitudes, by the way of the city, and the horsemen by the way of the plain, who, falling upon them on the sudden, as they were offering their sacrifices, destroyed about three thousand of them..."
Luke 19: 39 - 40 (RSV):
[39] And some of the Pharisees in the multitude said to him, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples."
[40] He answered, "I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out."
I trust you see the similarity.
Nonetheless, this initial beginning might not be enough. Enter the Mishmarot Priesthood, from 1 Chronicles 24. If these events were Authored by the Priesthood (and NOT the High Priest Group), then there should be a way that WE - TODAY - might be able to discover which Mishmarot Group was on Duty in 4 BCE at the Passover and Feast. If there is a Link (Beyond COINCIDENCE, the common complaint) from the Histories to the NT, it should satisfy something like the following:
John 1: 15 (RSV):
[15] (John bore witness to him, and cried, "This was he of whom I said, `He who comes after me ranks before me, for he was before me.'")
There is a Candidate that Matches right up: The Mishmarot Group Bilgah, which is seen as a "Lesser Group" because of an Offense against the Priesthood, PRECEEDS Immer. Thus, Immer follows Bilgah but is perceived as being - "Ranked" - above Bilgah.
OK?!?? Now, this is all Well and Good and makes for good discussion but: HOW WOULD YOU VERIFY THIS?
Astronomical observatory & roof deck room for calculations, at the Temple complex? Who were the astronomers, then?
Or do you mean a topos, a celestial palace, beyond the spheres? (In what dimension, pray tell?)
No Metaphysics needed. We're not positing Astronomers with Star Charts and Brahe Type Observations.
This is for the here-and-now. Not a Celestial Jesus. No Metaphysics.
Can we discover who was on Duty for the Passover and Feast of 4 BCE?
We can.
Bilgah. Immer.
Further, Bilgah begins Service for Passover 3 Days and 3 Nights before the Weekly Sabbath which finds Immer ready to Cleanse and Re-Dedicate a NEW TEMPLE, a Temple as of Old.
THAT'S what makes this interesting. "It's there, it really is there"...
Always has been.
CW