Potamius of Lisbon references the heavenly witnesses in writing to Athanasius

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Re: Potamius of Lisbon references the heavenly witnesses in writing to Athanasius

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Steven Avery wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:59 am You think three tents represent spirit, water and blood?
Do you know the classical definition of “ad hominem” - to the man?
9Burgon uses this technique in discussing Hort’s recension theories.)

This question is in that form, it allows the assumption of your argument.

Often an ad hominem argument of this nature is for the purpose of showin a reduction ad absurdum.
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Steven Avery wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:15 am
Steven Avery wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:59 am You think three tents represent spirit, water and blood?
Do you know the classical definition of “ad hominem” - to the man?
9Burgon uses this technique in discussing Hort’s recension theories.)

This question is in that form, it allows the assumption of your argument.

Often an ad hominem argument of this nature is for the purpose of showin a reduction ad absurdum.
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So when Potamius says: "As John says: 'And the three of them are one' [I John 5:8]. And Peter implores 'three tabernacles' [Mark. 9:4 [verse 5 actually] ], and 'every word is confirmed by three witnesses' [Matt. 18:16]," the "three tabernacles" are what Steven?
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Mark 9: 5 (AV)
And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here:
and let us make three tabernacles;
one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Do you understand classical ad hominem yet?
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Steven Avery wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:30 am Mark 9: 5 (AV)
And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here:
and let us make three tabernacles;
one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Do you understand classical ad hominem yet?

Explain what Potamius means by the "three tents" Steven.
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Here is the section, they all relate to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, thus the heavenly witnesses.

[Epistula de Substantia]
For the Son has expressed the will of the Father, since everything has been carried out by the word of God, Christ, that is to say, the power of the Father. Hence it follows that the Father did what the Son ordered. For the Father with his power, when the Son descended into hell, through the Son and with the same power, he broke the steel bars of Tartarus and with the word of his own power brought the dead from the depths of hell and with the flaming spear from his mouth sent the devil into exile through the order given by his Christ. This is one substance, this is the undivided. and eternal majesty, this is the everlasting unity of the undivided Trinity. As John says: "And the three are one." And Peter asks for "three tents" and "every word is fixed with three witnesses" (Potamius of Lisbon, Epistula de Substantia Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti)

This is stronger than the other references by the inclusion of three witnesses while writing of the Trinity.

The letter to Athanasius is especially strong in connecting “three are one” with the “unity of the Godhead”, reinforcing the heavenly witnesses reference.

You are welcome to speculate on the three tabernacles, or tents, which looks to connect “themes of three” to the “Trinity”
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Steven Avery wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:33 pm Here is the section, they all relate to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, thus the heavenly witnesses.

[Epistula de Substantia]
For the Son has expressed the will of the Father, since everything has been carried out by the word of God, Christ, that is to say, the power of the Father. Hence it follows that the Father did what the Son ordered. For the Father with his power, when the Son descended into hell, through the Son and with the same power, he broke the steel bars of Tartarus and with the word of his own power brought the dead from the depths of hell and with the flaming spear from his mouth sent the devil into exile through the order given by his Christ. This is one substance, this is the undivided. and eternal majesty, this is the everlasting unity of the undivided Trinity. As John says: "And the three are one." And Peter asks for "three tents" and "every word is fixed with three witnesses" (Potamius of Lisbon, Epistula de Substantia Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti)

This is stronger than the other references by the inclusion of three witnesses while writing of the Trinity.

The letter to Athanasius is especially strong in connecting “three are one” with the “unity of the Godhead”, reinforcing the heavenly witnesses reference.

You are welcome to speculate on the three tabernacles, or tents, which looks to connect “themes of three” to the “Trinity”

So you don't understand what Potamius means? Is this text to complicated for you?

What could "three tents" for Moses, Elijah, and Jesus literally have to do with the Trinity?

What's the literal connection (if it's not some sort of allegorical connection)?
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What do “three witnesses” literally have do with the Trinity?

Wait, that is easy!

1 John 5:7 (AV)
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.
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Steven Avery wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:59 am What do “three witnesses” literally have do with the Trinity?

Wait, that is easy!

1 John 5:7 (AV)
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

Yes, I can see it is easy for you (Steven) to deceive yourself by your distorted reasonings (compare James 1:22 https://biblehub.com/greek/3884.htm).

What extraordinary lengths you have to go to in order to avoid the truth and being openly honest about the meaning of Potamius' "three tabernacles (or 'tents')".

What literal connection do the "three tents" for Moses, Elijah, and Jesus have with the Trinity?

What is Potamius' the literal doctrinal connection (if it's not allegorical) for the "three tents" for Moses, Elijah, and Jesus to the Trinity?

What is Potamius' either 1. allegorical or 2. literal explanation of this mysterious and elusive connection between the "three tents" and the (Potamius): "one substance, this is the undivided, and eternal majesty, this is the everlasting unity of the undivided Trinity"?

Is there an explanation by Potamius, Steven?
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There is no literal connection between the "three tents" for Moses, Elijah, and Jesus, and the Trinity. None!

You know it doesn't make any sense as a literal reference. You know it, and so does any sensible person reading this forum.

Just as you know, it doesn't make any sense that Potamius would chose Matthew 18:16 "Every verbal statement is to be established upon the basis of two and three witnesses" over the first two thirds of the corrupted reading in 1 John 5:7 "because there are three who give witness in heaven, the Father and the Word and the Holy Spirit" if he had a choice between the two, and considering the theme of the letter is "Letter on the Substance of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit".

When the theme (and title) of the letter is "Letter on the Substance of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" if Potamius had really been able to choose between them (and he obviously couldn't), there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he would have choosen, 1000,000,000%, the reading in 1 John 5:7 because of it being the more doctrinally and thematically suited "because there are three who give witness in heaven, the Father and the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one" - no doubt whatsoever! (We all know which one you would choose!)

I mean, come on Steven, look at the similarities between Potamius' theme and doctrinally customized manuscript corruption:

1. "Letter on the Substance of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit"
2."three who give witness in heaven, the Father and the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one"

Hello!!!

There's no way he wouldn't quote the first part and-or middle parts of the Comma!

The fact that he only quotes the last part of corrupted Latin 1 John 5:7 which is the reading of the last part from the authentic 1 John 5:8 Latin versions and also quotes Matthew 18:16 (an inferior reading, and inexplicable as having a literal meaning in the context) is clear and decisive evidence that "because there are three who give witness in heaven, the Father and the Word and the Holy Spirit" was not in Potamius' Portugese/Spanish Latin Bible.

Your cicumventory posts are simply intellectually dishonest and unacceptable to reason.
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