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Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:04 am
by maryhelena
StephenGoranson wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:52 am About 2 Corinthians 11:32-33.
If a reader interprets this passage as referring to a “paper apostle” Paul, a “Paul” who supposedly did not actually exist, what then would prevent such an interpreter from interpreting a “paper Aretas” and a “paper Damascus” and a “paper basket”?
For heavens sake Stephen - do I really need to spell this out for you? :banghead: :confusedsmiley: :eek: :lol: :facepalm:

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:20 am
by StephenGoranson
In other words, if you presume Paul is fictional, why presume the remainder of these two verses is non-fictional?

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:35 am
by maryhelena
StephenGoranson wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:20 am In other words, if you presume Paul is fictional, why presume the remainder of these two verses is non-fictional?
:banghead:

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:45 am
by StephenGoranson
Or, if there were no "Paul" to go to Damascus, why insist on Aretas III?

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:04 am
by maryhelena
:popcorn:
StephenGoranson wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:45 am Or, if there were no "Paul" to go to Damascus, why insist on Aretas III?

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:09 am
by StephenGoranson
So, you don't know?

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:09 am
by maryhelena
StephenGoranson wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:09 am So, you don't know?
:popcorn:

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:32 am
by StephenGoranson
Because you (mh) have not explained why the travel of a person that you assert did not exist (Paul) could fictionally travel (actually not-travel) *only* during the non-fictional time that you assert, I am not persuaded.

Advice from you (mh) to read history books concerning the post-Hasmonean period—though I do read such sometimes—might seem peculiar, since you apparently mistrust much that is mentioned in them.

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:06 am
by maryhelena
StephenGoranson wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:32 am Because you (mh) have not explained why the travel of a person that you assert did not exist (Paul) could fictionally travel (actually not-travel) *only* during the non-fictional time that you assert, I am not persuaded.

Advice from you (mh) to read history books concerning the post-Hasmonean period—though I do read such sometimes—might seem peculiar, since you apparently mistrust much that is mentioned in them.
:popcorn:

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:14 am
by StephenGoranson
In other words, that cherry-picking of what is fiction and not does not cohere into a plausible narrative, much less history.