Epistula Apostolorum: Missing "James son of Alphaeus" and "Mary of James"

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Epistula Apostolorum: Missing "James son of Alphaeus" and "Mary of James"

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Re: Comparision of Epistula Apostolorum with NT on Apostles and women at the empty tomb

Apostles

Epistula Apostolorum
We, John, Thomas, Peter, Andrew, James, Philip, Batholomew, Matthew, Nathanael, Judas Zelotes, and Cephas, write unto the churches...
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t ... lorum.html

Luke
Simon, whom He named Peter, and his brother Andrew; James and John; Philip and Bartholomew; Matthew and Thomas; James son of Alphaeus and Simon called the Zealot; Judas son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor.

Acts
When they arrived, they went to the upper room where they were staying: Peter and John, James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James.

Matthew
These are the names of the twelve apostles: first Simon, called Peter, and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4Simon the Zealot, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus.

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Concerning the mention of both "Peter" and "Cephas" as if they were two different people: "The most common view concerning the origin of this tradition is that it derives from an apologetic concern, namely, to show that the person whom Paul opposed in Antioch was not the other great apostle of the early church, Peter, but an apostle of much lower standing, Cephas, one of the seventy."
(CEPHAS AND PETER, by BART D. EHRMAN, JBL 109/3 ß990) 463-474)

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Women at the empty tomb
Epistula Apostolorum
Concerning whom we testify that the Lord is he who was crucified by Pontius Pilate and Archelaus between the two thieves (and with them he was taken down from the tree of the cross, Eth.), and was buried in a place which is called the place of a skull (Kranion). And thither went three women, Mary, she that was kin to Martha, and Mary Magdalene (Sarrha, Martha, and Mary, Eth.), and took ointments to pour upon the body, weeping and mourning over that which was come to pass. And when they drew near to the sepulchre, they looked in and found not the body (Eth. they found the stone rolled away and opened the entrance).

Luke 24

1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women came to the tomb, bringing the spices they had prepared. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were puzzling over this, suddenly two men in radiant apparel stood beside them.

5As the women bowed their faces to the ground in terror, the two men asked them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; He has risen! Remember how He told you while He was still in Galilee: 7‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and on the third day rise again.’”

8Then they remembered His words. 9And when they returned from the tomb, they reported all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them who told this to the apostles.

Mark 16:1
1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so they could go and anoint the body of Jesus.

Matt 28:1
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

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I notice that, in Epistula Apostolorum, "James, son of Alphaeus" is one of the Apostles not included, unless he is the "James" mentioned, which seems unlikely given the similar order of names in Luke. I wonder if Judas Zelotes in Epistula Apostolorum might refer to two people named in Luke: Zelotes--Simon called the Zealot-- and Judas-- Judas son of James (How likely is that??). If so, James son of Alphaeus is the only Apostle from the Acts list who was left out in Epistula Apostolorum. On the other hand, maybe Epistula Apostolorum is supposed to represent a time after the death of James, son of Zebedee, which seems unlikely but I suppose possible (If there is other evidence that this was supposed to be written after the death of James, son of Zebedee. Is there such evidence??).

Also, "Mary of James" seem to be edited out (or just ignored) in favor of Mary, "kin of Martha", unless the two might be considered the same, which seems unlikely.
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Re: Epistula Apostolorum: Missing "James son of Alphaeus" and "Mary of James"

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I find https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ent_papyri especially helpful.
So very little of the gospels in there, and such an overwhelming abundance of the Epistles

I'd love to have a minimal version of the NT that contains only the least: of there's a variant then go with the most embarrassing one, or most awkward one.
Has anyone tried that before?
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Re: Epistula Apostolorum: Missing "James son of Alphaeus" and "Mary of James"

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gryan wrote: Sat Aug 07, 2021 1:50 am Re: Comparision of Epistula Apostolorum with NT on Apostles and women at the empty tomb

Apostles

Epistula Apostolorum
We, John, Thomas, Peter, Andrew, James, Philip, Batholomew, Matthew, Nathanael, Judas Zelotes, and Cephas, write unto the churches...
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t ... lorum.html
Re: Another list of apostles that 1) lists John first, 2) includes both Cephas and Peter, and 3) lists "James" only once (although this time in an order (after Philip and Matthew) that could refer to the son of Alphaeus rather than the son of Zebedee).

Apostolic Church-Ordinance
The names of the Apostles are so listed: John, Matthew, Peter, Andrew, Philip, Simon, James, Nathanael, Thomas, Cephas, Bartholomew and Judas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic ... -Ordinance
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