Giuseppe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:13 am
mlinssen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:57 am
And somewhere in between I'll have to work my way through these 1,500 pages and parallel this magnificent reconstruction with Thomas so that it becomes apparent that
Coptic Thomas (sic, yes, indeed) is the very first "gospel" (albeit never intended as one at all whatsoever) which Marcion took into a narrative, after which Mark quickly released a proto-copy of that - and the rest is history (and a much longer story LOL)
I am very curious about this new reconstruction of the Origins. Thank you very much for your efforts.
Already some past mythicists (for example, Fau) had noted that Marcion had used previous
logia to build his first narrative.
I wonder why, given the premises of your theory, you don't accept to see
anti-demiurgism in Thomas. Note how much 'Father' occurs (at least 26 times, in a modern translation) against 3 occurrences of 'God' and only 1 of 'Lord'. The 'Father' was the unknown Father adored by Marcion.
You're welcome, Giuseppe.
1.
You ask a very odd question, although not an unusual one - but it is entirely in the light of your own context, and not mine. So you really shouldn't ask me the question
Thomas is the source to all of Christianity; I posited that in my Absolute Thomasine Priority which you found on academia.edu and quoted here, which brought me here - and I wrote that almost two years ago.
Why did I call it
Absolute Thomasine priority - the Synoptic Problem solved in the most unsatisfactory manner?
That is a very important question of course, because it is an awkward title, don't you think so?
Perhaps you can try to answer that, and you'll find the answer to your question right above.
2.
I am baffled by your assumptions about words that do or do not occur in Thomas. You can simply check the concordance in my Translation, it is the first ever complete one, an it is in reverse too, for those who like to see Coptic-English
From the Index, here are the counts:
father (father) ⲉⲓⲱⲧ Noun masculine 28
god god ⲛⲟⲩⲧⲉ Noun masculine 4
slave (servant, slave) ϩⲙϩⲁⲗ Noun masculine 8
slaveowner (lord, master, owner) ϫⲟⲉⲓⲥ Noun masculine 14
In parentheses the possible translations, and they're preceded by the word of my choice.
You can throw away all Thomas translations ever, there is only 1 accurate one, and that is mine. It is not a very legible one, but it is 100% accurate and precise, and as you can see there is no social word for Lord in Thomas, that is merely interpretation - not translation.
The really interesting information comes when you check the concordance: "god" occurs 4 times, yes - but that's only twice in two logia
father ⲉⲓⲱⲧ Noun masculine 3, 15, 16, 27, 40, 44, 50, 53, 55, 57, 61, 64, 69, 72, 76, 79, 83, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 105, 113
god ⲛⲟⲩⲧⲉ Noun masculine 30, 100
slave ϩⲙϩⲁⲗ Noun masculine 47, 64, 65
slaveowner ϫⲟⲉⲓⲥ Noun masculine 21, 47, 64, 65, 73, 74
As you can see, slave and slaveowner meet in 3 logia, and those are the only logia where the slave appears. Interestingly, the slaveowner appears in only 6 logia - 14 times
The father?
The 'Father' was the unknown Father adored by Marcion.
That's easy for you to say, but a lot harder to prove. Yet it is irrelevant to my theory, as I state above that Marcion took Thomas into a narrative.
What the father really stands for in Thomas is also irrelevant, as he was completely misunderstood by Marcion (and ff), which surely did not stop him from becoming a success, however
But if you really want to know, you can read Part I of my Commentary, and wait a few months for Part II.
Or I could tell you right away that the father ... is really You. Or rather, the real You