Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:37 am
Dave Allen's reconstructed Josephan TF.
Here is the model textus restitutus of Ant 18.3.3:
And there is about this time a certain man,
Γίνεται δὲ κατὰ τοῦτον τὸν χρόνον ἀνήρ τις
a sophist and agitator.
ταραχτικός τε σοφιστής
He was one who wrought surprising feats.
ἦν γὰρ παραδόξων ἔργων ποιητής
A teacher of men
διδάσκαλος ἀνθρώπων
who revered him with pleasure.
τῶν σεβομένων αὐτὸν ἡδονῇ
Many of the Judaens,
καὶ πολλοὺς μὲν Ἰουδαίους,
and also many of the Galilean element, he led to himself;
πολλοὺς δὲ καὶ τοῦ Γαλιλαίου ἐπηγάγετο
he was believed to be a King:
ἐνομίζετο βασιλεὺς εἶναι
[For he opposed paying the tax to Caesar.]
[ἀντεῖπε γὰρ τὸ διδόναι κῆνσον Καίσαρι.]
And many souls were roused, thinking that thereby the tribe of Judaens could free themselves from the Romans.
πολλαὶ δὲ ψυχαὶ συνεχύθησαν ὡς οὕτως τὸ τῶν Ἰουδαίων φῦλον ἐλευθερώσῃ ἑαυτό ἐκ τῶν Ῥωμαίων.
[He claimed the Temple would be destroyed and that not one stone would be standing on another and that it would be restored in three days.]
[ὁ δ’ ἔφη ὅτι καταλυθῇ ὁ ναός τ’ οὐ μὴ ἀφεθῇ ὧδε λίθος ἐπὶ λίθον τ’ οἰκοδομήσῃ ἐν τρισὶν ἡμέραις]
And, when on the accusation of the first men among us
καὶ αὐτὸν ἐνδείξει τῶν πρώτων ἀνδρῶν παρ’ ἡμῖν
Pilate condemned him to be crucified.
σταυρῷ ἐπιτετιμηκότος Πιλάτου
Many of his followers, the Galileans and Judaens, were slain and thus checked for the moment.
πολλοὶ τῶν αὐτὸν ἀγαπησάντων, τῶν Γαλιλαίων τε καὶ τῶν Ἰουδαίων, ἀπώλοντο. οὕτως δ’ αὐτίκα κατέσχοντο.
The (movement) again broke out with great abundance, when it was believed he appeared to them living again
αὖθις ἐνεωτερίσθη εἰς ἀφθονίαν, πιστευσάντων ὅτι ἐφάνη αὐτοῖς πάλιν ζῶν
Those that followed him at first did not cease [worshipping]
οὐκ [ἂν] ἐπαύσαντο [σέβειν] οἱ τὸ πρῶτον ἀγαπήσαντες,
only Him, who is their leader in sedition.
εἰ μὴ καὶ τοῦτον, ὅσπερ ἐστὶν αὐτοῖ τῆς στάσεως ἀρχηγέτης
and this tribe has until now not disappeared.”
εἰς νῦν ἀπὸ τοῦδε οὐκ ἐπέλιπε τὸ φῦλον τοῦτον
https://davesblogs.home.blog/2021/06/03 ... ket_mylist
my formatting.
Here is the model textus restitutus of Ant 18.3.3:
And there is about this time a certain man,
Γίνεται δὲ κατὰ τοῦτον τὸν χρόνον ἀνήρ τις
a sophist and agitator.
ταραχτικός τε σοφιστής
He was one who wrought surprising feats.
ἦν γὰρ παραδόξων ἔργων ποιητής
A teacher of men
διδάσκαλος ἀνθρώπων
who revered him with pleasure.
τῶν σεβομένων αὐτὸν ἡδονῇ
Many of the Judaens,
καὶ πολλοὺς μὲν Ἰουδαίους,
and also many of the Galilean element, he led to himself;
πολλοὺς δὲ καὶ τοῦ Γαλιλαίου ἐπηγάγετο
he was believed to be a King:
ἐνομίζετο βασιλεὺς εἶναι
[For he opposed paying the tax to Caesar.]
[ἀντεῖπε γὰρ τὸ διδόναι κῆνσον Καίσαρι.]
And many souls were roused, thinking that thereby the tribe of Judaens could free themselves from the Romans.
πολλαὶ δὲ ψυχαὶ συνεχύθησαν ὡς οὕτως τὸ τῶν Ἰουδαίων φῦλον ἐλευθερώσῃ ἑαυτό ἐκ τῶν Ῥωμαίων.
[He claimed the Temple would be destroyed and that not one stone would be standing on another and that it would be restored in three days.]
[ὁ δ’ ἔφη ὅτι καταλυθῇ ὁ ναός τ’ οὐ μὴ ἀφεθῇ ὧδε λίθος ἐπὶ λίθον τ’ οἰκοδομήσῃ ἐν τρισὶν ἡμέραις]
And, when on the accusation of the first men among us
καὶ αὐτὸν ἐνδείξει τῶν πρώτων ἀνδρῶν παρ’ ἡμῖν
Pilate condemned him to be crucified.
σταυρῷ ἐπιτετιμηκότος Πιλάτου
Many of his followers, the Galileans and Judaens, were slain and thus checked for the moment.
πολλοὶ τῶν αὐτὸν ἀγαπησάντων, τῶν Γαλιλαίων τε καὶ τῶν Ἰουδαίων, ἀπώλοντο. οὕτως δ’ αὐτίκα κατέσχοντο.
The (movement) again broke out with great abundance, when it was believed he appeared to them living again
αὖθις ἐνεωτερίσθη εἰς ἀφθονίαν, πιστευσάντων ὅτι ἐφάνη αὐτοῖς πάλιν ζῶν
Those that followed him at first did not cease [worshipping]
οὐκ [ἂν] ἐπαύσαντο [σέβειν] οἱ τὸ πρῶτον ἀγαπήσαντες,
only Him, who is their leader in sedition.
εἰ μὴ καὶ τοῦτον, ὅσπερ ἐστὶν αὐτοῖ τῆς στάσεως ἀρχηγέτης
and this tribe has until now not disappeared.”
εἰς νῦν ἀπὸ τοῦδε οὐκ ἐπέλιπε τὸ φῦλον τοῦτον
https://davesblogs.home.blog/2021/06/03 ... ket_mylist
my formatting.