The Jesus of the fabricated Paul: crucified in outer space
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:25 am
Assuming an entirely fabricated Paul, coming from cerdonite/marcionite circles, a good solution about the Jesus of the early fabricated Paul (the Jesus of proto-marcionite Kerdo), once removed the catholic layer, is given by Arthur Droge, even if he was talking about the Valentinian layer added on the epistles, precisely in 1 Cor 2:6-11:
https://www.academia.edu/43327375/_Whod ... lications_
Droge appears to be inclined to think that:
Hence, while the man Marcion may be the last of the marcionites to edit the epistles (before the first catholic corruption of them), and as such he would have become historicist in whiletime (by having read or written a gospel), it is more probable that the early pauline authors were "mythicist" Christians, even if they had heard historicist voices from Judeo-Christian circles: so much was their original focus on an outer space death of Jesus.
But alas: it was only their focus. With Droge and Magne, I think that the outer space death was a radical gentile Christian thing. It was their belief, sure, but it was only their belief. The other Christians, before, during and after the early fabricated Paul, didn't feel a similar interest for a death space death.
This peculiar passion account, which, if it were Pauline, would be the earliest extant, is imagined not as an historical event at all, but as the key episode in a cosmic drama, and as such it differs fundamentally from the more familiar (i.e., historicized) crucifixion stories of the New Testament Gospels.
https://www.academia.edu/43327375/_Whod ... lications_
Droge appears to be inclined to think that:
- An outer space death is in evidence in 1 Cor 2:6-11
- A first century Paul couldn't have thought something of the kind...
- Therefore: 1 Cor 2:6-11 is interpolated.
Hence, while the man Marcion may be the last of the marcionites to edit the epistles (before the first catholic corruption of them), and as such he would have become historicist in whiletime (by having read or written a gospel), it is more probable that the early pauline authors were "mythicist" Christians, even if they had heard historicist voices from Judeo-Christian circles: so much was their original focus on an outer space death of Jesus.
But alas: it was only their focus. With Droge and Magne, I think that the outer space death was a radical gentile Christian thing. It was their belief, sure, but it was only their belief. The other Christians, before, during and after the early fabricated Paul, didn't feel a similar interest for a death space death.