Joseph ⟼ Pilate (the proof)

[MrMacSon]

In the second century we see the beginnings of attempts to link the destruction of the Temple in Hadrian's time with the events of 70 CE.

• Where do you think we [might] see that, Neil?

That's when the shadows of Jesus ben Ananias and ben Saphat and others, perhaps, via their reading1 of Josephus, helped shape a narrative outline in the minds of the evangelists.1

1. Who's reading of Josephus?

Before then, there had been isolated midrashic interpretations of this and that OT scripture to understand the messiah, but the plot for the story of the narrative came after 135 and some ideas from Josephus.

• Where do you think we [might] see those isolated midrashic interpretations of this and that OT scripture?

[Giuseppe]

But I think you should advertize your concern that your investigations have led you to doubt mythicism and to think there was indeed at the root of it all a historical Jesus of some kind. That should, indeed, give pause to those who accuse mythicists of being on a mission to "destroy Christianity" by "disproving the historicity of Jesus".

The problem with "those who accuse mythicists of being on a mission to "destroy Christianity" by "disproving the historicity of Jesus", is that they raise the same identical accusation against any person who identifies the HJ with a guy X mentioned in Josephus, since for them, apart the Gospels/epistles and the "partial" Testimonium Flavianum and/or Taciteum, any other different portrait of the HJ is considered a scandalous heresy, not even worthy of being alluded in the "academic" world.

[neilgodfrey]

In the second century we see the beginnings of attempts to link the destruction of the Temple in Hadrian's time with the events of 70 CE.

• Where do you think we [might] see that, Neil?

In Justin Martyr's Trypho Dialogue

• Clements, Ruth A. “Epilogue: 70 CE After 135 CE—The Making of a Watershed?” Was 70 CE a Watershed in Jewish History?, pp. 517–36, https://www.academia.edu/3818999/Epilog ... _Watershed.

That's when the shadows of Jesus ben Ananias and ben Saphat and others, perhaps, via their reading1 of Josephus, helped shape a narrative outline in the minds of the evangelists.1

1. Who's reading of Josephus?

The first of our evangelists, Example: http://vridar.info/xorigins/josephus/2jesus.htm

Before then, there had been isolated midrashic interpretations of this and that OT scripture to understand the messiah, but the plot for the story of the narrative came after 135 and some ideas from Josephus.

• Where do you think we [might] see those isolated midrashic interpretations of this and that OT scripture?

Justin's Trypho: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t ... rypho.html

[MrMacSon]

In the second century we see the beginnings of attempts to link the destruction of the Temple in Hadrian's time with the events of 70 CE ...

• In Justin Martyr's Trypho Dialogue
  
  • Clements, Ruth A. “Epilogue: 70 CE After 135 CE—The Making of a Watershed?” Was 70 CE a Watershed in Jewish History?, pp. 517–36, https://www.academia.edu/3818999/Epilog ... _Watershed.

... the shadows of Jesus ben Ananias and ben Saphat and others helped shape a narrative outline in the minds of the evangelists, , perhaps, via their reading of Josephus,.

• ... Example: http://vridar.info/xorigins/josephus/2jesus.htm

• Ah Weeden, who wonders if Josephus's Jesus ben Ananias was motivated by Jeremiah and Mark was motivated by Josephus

Where do you think we [might] see isolated midrashic interpretations of this and that OT scripture?

• Justin's Trypho: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t ... rypho.html

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• Thank you Neil. Yes, there's more to Trypho than people have as yet determined

[neilgodfrey]

• Thank you Neil. Yes, there's more to Trypho than people have as yet determined

But as I said, read with care. I was looking at it again yesterday and saw yet more mistakes. I will have to redo it soon.