Giuseppe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:29 am
According to Boistier, for Marcion it was the supreme god himself, the Father, who had come on the earth in the recent past. His name was
Chrestos hence the name
Chrestiani.
Hence, Boistier asks, why did Marcion use in the "pauline" epistles the name "son of God" for Jesus?
Because the universal use was, by the time Marcion co-opted the epistles, that Jesus was called "son of God" in the sense of the Psalm 2: "you are my son".
The original Paul, for Boistier, was an anomymous messianist, i.e. a follower of the Messiah Jesus son of YHWH, and he wrote the original nucleus of the epistles in 100 CE.
His community was born immediately after the 70 CE, when the Suffering Servant of Isaiah, symbol of the suffering Israel, was individualized.
He argues for the following hegelian schema:
- Thesis: Jesus is a mere man, the Just of Israel, who dies on the cross as symbol of an entire people. The historical Paul, lived after the 70, adored this Jesus.
- Antithesis: marcionism. Jesus becomes a celestial being.
- Synthesis: Justin. Jesus becomes both a man and a god.
Once one denies anti-demiurgism at the Origins, this scenario is the more probable result where he arrives. No wonder I have already seen it in Georges Las Vergnas, in Robert Stahl and more recently, in Chris Albert Wells.
ⲡⲉϫⲉ ⲓⲏ ̅ ⲥ ̅ ϫⲉ ⲁⲙⲏⲉⲓⲧⲛ ̄ ϣⲁⲣⲟ ⲉⲓ` ϫⲉ ⲟⲩ
ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ ⲡⲉ ⲡⲁ ⲛⲁϩⲃ` ⲁⲩⲱ ⲧⲁ ⲙⲛ ̄ ⲧ ̅ ϫⲟⲉⲓⲥ
ⲡⲉϫⲉ- ⲓⲏⲥ ϫⲉ- ⲁⲙⲏⲉⲓⲧⲛ ϣⲁ- ⲉⲓ ϫⲉ- ⲟⲩ- ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ ⲡⲉ ⲡⲁ- ⲛⲁϩⲃ ⲁⲩⲱ ⲧⲁ- ⲙⲛⲧϫⲟⲉⲓⲥ
said IHS : come!(PL) toward I : a(n) Kind-one is my yoke and my(F) lordship
ⲟⲩ ⲣⲙ ̄ ⲣⲁϣ ⲧⲉ ⲁⲩⲱ ⲧⲉⲧ ⲛⲁ ϩⲉ ⲁ ⲩ ⲁⲛⲁⲩⲡⲁⲥⲓⲥ ⲛⲏ ⲧⲛ ̄
ⲟⲩ- ⲣⲙⲣⲁϣ ⲧⲉ ⲁⲩⲱ ⲧⲉⲧⲛ- ⲛⲁ- ϩⲉ ⲉ- ⲟⲩ- ⲁⲛⲁⲡⲁⲩⲥⲓⲥ ⲛⲁ⸗ -ⲧⲏⲩⲧⲛ
a(n) gentle-man is(F) and you(PL) will fall to a(n) Repose to you(PL)
Logion 90, one of the three where Thomas' protagonist suddenly changes name.
The highlighted Coptic word needs no explanation, I presume.
On a side note, this logion was a joke by Thomas: a yoke never is good, and a Repose is only for the Dead. I'm still trying to figure out why he explicitly misspells ANAUPASIS, but this logion dus in Part III of the Commentary - and on the remote horizon at best
But Chrestians indeed, I am sure that the Marcionites referred to themselves as such. The NT replaced that by christos, made up a lame story about being anointed - try outs at which are still visible all over the Church Fathers - and struggled with the application of that, to which Paul's pathetic chaos of Jesus Christ / Christ Jesus attests
Giuseppe, it was Marcion who created Jesus-as-a-religion, there is hardly any reasonable doubt about that - just look at all the writings against him, and the contradictory accusations, and the contradictory witnesses. Even Tertullian admits that his own allegations are incredible
The suffering servant is an excuse created by the church fathers to explain away the Thomasine (and Marcionite) theme of sickness, and the rest of Isaiah there got inserted into their Jesus