On the Jesus's anxiety about the "hour of his death"

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On the Jesus's anxiety about the "hour of his death"

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Why is Jesus restless about the precise hour of his death?

It seems that the background assumption by the inventor of a such anxiety betrayes a previous concern about the precise time the crucifixion of Jesus in outer space happened. But this explanation would sound too much astrotheological/acharyan.

Usually, as a particular vulgata would like to make us believe, the Jews were obsessed by the precise "hour of the Messiah", not at all by the hour of his death.

Replacing the Jewish anxiety about the arrival of the conqueror Messiah with the Jesus's anxiety about the hour of the his death, the point of the evangelist is point out, again and again, that the Christ reveals himself only in his death.

This is clearly Judaized paulinism. The "crucified Christ" is for outsiders, not for the true insiders. For the latter, the real crucifixion, docet 1 Corinthians 2:6-8, happened in outer space. The hour of the his death didn't count, since, as Couchoud explains, the celestial crucifixion was atemporal.

My strong suspicion is that the anxiety about the precise hour of his death works as anti-Marcionite motive, just as the two thieves, the titulus crucis, etc.
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In virtue of the same reason, the rival Marcionite Jesus, i.e. Jesus Son of the Unknown Father (parodied caustically as "Bar-Abbas") has to be turned away from the "hour of the his death", so that only the Jewish Christ could be revealed during the crucifixion.
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Re: On the Jesus's anxiety about the "hour of his death"

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Someone (Boistier) has proposed that the first story about an earthly Jesus had in a "Jesus who preaches" the Great Event, since the marcionite Parable of Lamp makes it clear that what was obscure has now to be revealed.

It is therefore expected by Judaizers a more and more focus on the "crucified Jesus" as the Great Event, in order to eclipse the previous anti-demiurgist emphasis on the "Jesus who preaches".

Curiously, when the historicists say that "Mark" (as a good pauline) had emphasized the death of Christ as the true key of the Messianic Secret (=Christ reveals himself only on the cross), to polemize against the Pillars who exalted themselves in virtue of their own knowledge of the ipsissima verba et acta of the historical Jesus, well, the said historicists are going only to translate "gnosis for the masses", i.e. they are not so far from historical truth, since they replace the anti-demiurgist esoteric gnosis about a "Jesus who preaches" with an earthly knowledge by idiot Pillars who knew only the historical Jesus and not the pauline Christ.


Hence: Mark insisted on the Messianic Secret revealed only on the cross, because Mark, the Judaizer called Mark, wanted to eclipse the Marcionite emphasis on the Jesus who reveals, during all the time of the his preaching, the Unknown Father.
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Re: On the Jesus's anxiety about the "hour of his death"

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The paradox is that the historicist who says: "Paul and Mark have eclipsed deliberately the true historical Jesus", is going really to make a good case for marcionite priority, of which the slogan sounds quasi identical: the redeemer Christ in Mark has eclipsed deliberately the Revealer Jesus of Marcion.

To my knowledge, this is the Strongest Argument for Marcion's priority over Mark.
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