Hi Neilneilgodfrey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:24 amYou know Justin wrote more than that paragraph/chapter. I am addressing anyone who is aware of Justin's works.andrewcriddle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:10 am Hi Neil
Could you please clarify exactly which passages of Justin you are referring to ?
Thanks
If you mean Dialogue with Tryphothen I don't think the mention of Judas' betrayal would have been relevant to Justin's argument.The remainder of the Psalm makes it manifest that He knew His Father would grant to Him all things which He asked, and would raise Him from the dead; and that He urged all who fear God to praise Him because He had compassion on all races of believing men, through the mystery of Him who was crucified; and that He stood in the midst of His brethren the apostles (who repented of their flight from Him when He was crucified, after He rose from the dead, and after they were persuaded by Himself that, before His passion He had mentioned to them that He must suffer these things, and that they were announced beforehand by the prophets), and when living with them sang praises to God, as is made evident in the memoirs of the apostles. The words are the following: 'I will declare Your name to my brethren; in the midst of the Church will I praise You. You that fear the Lord, praise Him; all you, the seed of Jacob, glorify Him. Let all the seed of Israel fear Him.' And when it is said that He changed the name of one of the apostles to Peter; and when it is written in the memoirs of Him that this so happened, as well as that He changed the names of other two brothers, the sons of Zebedee, to Boanerges, which means sons of thunder; this was an announcement of the fact that it was He by whom Jacob was called Israel, and Oshea called Jesus (Joshua), under whose name the people who survived of those that came from Egypt were conducted into the land promised to the patriarchs. And that He should arise like a star from the seed of Abraham, Moses showed before hand when he thus said, 'A star shall arise from Jacob, and a leader from Israel;' Numbers 24:17 and another Scripture says, 'Behold a man; the East is His name.' Accordingly, when a star rose in heaven at the time of His birth, as is recorded in the memoirs of His apostles, the Magi from Arabia, recognising the sign by this, came and worshipped Him.
Andrew Criddle
Pick any specific item that Justin has mentioned and explain why that should have been more "relevant to his argument" than the unmistakeable and unavoidable plot device of Judas's betrayal -- when Justin's narrative at multiple points leaves absolutely no room for such a betrayal.
I really do begin to wonder if you like being the dog that is programmed to yap at my heels every time I say anything here.
Justin is arguing that various events in the life of Christ were foretold in the Jewish Scriptures specifically Psalm 22. His omission of the betrayal of Judas in his debate with Trypho may just indicate that he did not regard it as a convincing fulfillment of this psalm.
Andrew Criddle