Here is the background that I read and that led me to the reconstruction .... it was posted by Mr MacSon at viewtopic.php?p=129171#p129171
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Here is the background that I read and that led me to the reconstruction .... it was posted by Mr MacSon at viewtopic.php?p=129171#p129171
Wautier's approach is not mine, but I thought it might be interesting to some to see what he has done alongside the sources for each point he has listed.neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:03 pmHere is the background that I read and that led me to the reconstruction .... it was posted by Mr MacSon at viewtopic.php?p=129171#p129171
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THE MARCIONITE EVANGELION.docx
The start compared to Klinghardt's reconstruction in English (in Klinghardt's 2018 monograph, The Oldest Gospel, Quiet Waters Publications)neilgodfrey wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:08 pm I have translated Wautier's reconstruction of Marcion's Gospel. Attached here for anyone interested : Wautier - Reconstruction.pdf
Wautier | Klinghard |
The fifteen year of Tiberius' principate ..................... | In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius |
Christ descended from Heaven, appeared in Capernaum | [Jesus] went down to Capharnaum, a city in Galilee [at the sea in the territory of Zebulon and Naphtali] |
Having taken on the appearance of a man, he appeared 30 years old |
[it'd be interesting to know if that means, 'he appeared at 30 yrs of age', or, 'he appeared to be 30 yrs of age'] |
Cain and those who were with him ran to him, the sodomites, the Egyptian & others, all others, all those who had been guilty of indignities, Christ saved them | |
a.a.a.a.a.a.......................................... | And he taught them on the Sabbath days. |
All were struck by his teaching ~ because his Word had power | And all were astonished at his teaching because he spoke with authority. |
but a demon called out to him | And in the synagogue was a man who had the spirit of an unclean demon, and he cried out in a loud voice |
'What have you to do with us, Jesus? You have come to lose us. 'I know who you are, the Holy One of God' | 'What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazara? Have you come to destroy us? 'I know who you are, the Holy One of God' |
Christ rebuked him: "Get behind me, Satan" | Jesus rebuked him: "Be silent and come out of him" |
And the demon threw him into the center and came out of him screaming, but he did not hurt him. And great fright came over them all, and they spoke among themselves, saying, “What kind of speech is this? For the authority and the power he commands the unclean spirits so that they come out” And the report about him spread to every place in the region | |
Ascended to Bethsaida. Christ did not preach anything new there | But when he came to Nazara, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day. and they said, 'Is not this Joseph's son?' |
Then people opposed him [with] the saying ... | And he said to them, "Now you will indubitably quote this proverb to me. |
'Physician, heal thyself' | 'Physician, heal thyself!' " |
However demons came out of the sick on whom he laid his hands shouting, 'You are the Son of God.' | 'Everything that we have heard happen[ed] in Capharnaum, do also here in your hometown!' |
But they were rebuked and ordered to be silent. | but He said, "Truly, I say to you, no prophet is accepted in his homeotown." |
Then all the synagogue was filled with anger | |
Christ went to the desert and was held back by the crowd | and they got up and thrust Him out of the city, and they led Him to the slope of the mountain on which their city was built to hurl him down. |
But passing through them, he escaped | But he passed right through their midst and went away |
He said, "I must preach the kingdom of God to other towns in the kingdom of God" | |
And he left Nazara and went and lived in Capharnaum by the sea, in the territory of Zebulon and Naphtali. | |
Near a lake, he called fishermen He led them into deep water and they made a prodigious catch Then he said to Simon, who had fallen to his knees "Do not be afraid. From now on you will take men." | |
As the sun was setting, everyone brought the sick people with various ailments to him, as many as they had. | |
But on each of them He laid the hands and healed them. | |
Christ then heals a leper with a word. He bowed down but Christ commanded him "Go show yourself to the priest and make the offering that Moses prescribed, so that this may serve as a testimony" | |
He also healed a paralytic "Get up, He said to him, "and take your mat with you" | |
But demons came out of many They cried out, 'You are the Son of God' and He berated them and did not let them speak. For they knew that he was the Christ . | |
the disciples of Christ were compared to those of John, who fasted and prayed | |
And He said, "the physician is needed not by the healthy but by the sick. "One does not sew a piece of new clothing to any old one. "Neither do we put new wine into old wineskins, otherwise the skins will break and the wine is spilled. But new wine is put in new skins, and both are preserved." . | |
But when day came, he left and went to a secluded place. And the crowd was looking for Him, and they firmly held onto Him so that he would not depart from them. | |
But he said to them, "It is necessary that I proclaim the kingdom of God also in the other cities, for that is why I am sent." | |
And he preached in the synagogues of Galilee | |
One Sabath day, Christ having healed a man whose hand had withered, the Pharisees took offence. | |
Christ asked them, "Is it permitted, yes or no, on the Sabbath day to do good or to save souls?" | |
But it happened that the crowd pressed up on him and heard the Word of God | |
And when he was standing at Lake Gennesaret, he was two boats lying by the lake. The fishermen had gotten out of them and washed their nets. | |
He entered into one of the boats that belonged to Simon and asked him to put out a little from the short. He sat down in the boat and taught the crowds. | |
One evening Christ went up a mountain and he spend the night in prayer, which his Father heard Then he elected twelve of his disciples and changed the name of Simon to Peter | |
Going down with them, he met a crowd on the shores of Tyre and other cities, even from the seas, and everyone in that crowd tried to touch him. | |
Then Christ looked at them and said, "Blessed are you the beggars, for the kingdom of God is yours, "Blessed are the hungry, for they shall be filled. "Blessed are those who weep, for they shall laugh. "Blessed will you be when men hate you, insult you, and curse your name, because they are guilty, "because of the Son of Man. "For this is how your fathers treated the prophets. "But woe to you, the rich, for you have already received your consolation. "Woe to you who are full, for you will be hungry; "To you who laugh, for you will weep. "Woe to you when men praise you, for their fathers did the same to the false prophets. and I say to you who hear me, love your enemies, bless those who hate you and pray for those who slander you. "Do not ask an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. but when they hit you on the cheek, turn the other cheek, "And if your coat is taken from you, offer your robe also. [etc] ..." . |
Why? If we have Irenaeus who accused Marcion about his Christ saving the Genesiac Serpent, the sodomites, etc, then why do you ignore it as mere marcionite commentary and not rather as an item found in the Marcion's Evangelion?
You make my point. Those are the teachings, the interpretation of the scripture. But they are not in the text, there is no evidence from our textual witnesses of any such elements in the gospel.Giuseppe wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:43 amWhy? If we have Irenaeus who accused Marcion about his Christ saving the Genesiac Serpent, the sodomites, etc, then why do you ignore it as mere marcionite commentary and not rather as an item found in the Marcion's Evangelion?
Even more so when we have Heracleon who points out the allegorical meaning of 'Capernaum' as the Sheol, hence we can do easily 2 + 2 and infer that the descent ad inferos was found in the incipit itself of Marcion's Gospel.
Otherwise, why a heresiarch would emphasize so much the mention precisely of 'Capernaum' in the beginning itself of the Gospel ?