These words of Georgios Sidirountios have been written in 2016, but it is incredible how Joseph Turmel was arrived to that same conclusion about Paul in the first years of 1900.
I see the imprint of genius in Turmel.
I don't know anything about the man but this book might be of interest. Think I'll download the kindle sample.SaosSidirountios wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:15 am Hi Giusepe. Thank you for bringing this here. Could you please give me a reference for Joseph Turnel, title, page number? I do not know his work.
Joseph Turmel's books are found here.SaosSidirountios wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:15 am Hi Giusepe. Thank you for bringing this here. Could you please give me a reference for Joseph Turnel, title, page number? I do not know his work.
Hi Georgios, I remember that in your thesis you mentioned again and again a Greek scholar and politician active during the Resistance, a proponent of the seditionist Jesus (I go to memory, I don't remember the name). Have you thought to translate in English his best works about Jesus?
I've started reading your thesis - the info regarding the early scholars coming to grips with a seditious element in the gospel story is very good. However, I've hit my first hurdle.....SaosSidirountios wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:41 am Dear Giusepe and Maryhelena, you cannot imagine how I feel to have discovered you here. Thank you for your kind reply and information. I lived in isolation and in libraries for many years, and I do need your help to come into contact with what is going on. I am in the process of updating and correcting my thesis in order to publish it.
Afraid it's on the downhill run.....
Just like Turnel, I also started as a Christian who wanted to help the Church. Once upon a time I was ordained a reader. After some years of living inside the primary sources I became an atheist. At some later point, and after studying pre-Christian material, I realised that much of the best of pre-Christian wisdom and ancient religious traditions did pass into Christianity (during the course of a number of centuries and not just in the first). Jesus-God is the composite product of the best ancient philosophical and religious inheritance.
It is good to believe in Jesus, and I am trying to become Christian again.
My wish now is that Christianity should not weaken further. It could learn from its past, confess, "pay" compensations to any of its victims, try to get rid of many of its corrupt leaders and revive.
Whatever the avenue through which one comes to the knowledge that what christianity teaches in the way of dogma and theology is for the birds - best is simply to turn ones back on the peddlers of nonsense and strike out on ones own. Once the penny drops - there is only the rough road forward. Indeed, one can just sit it out - it's all nonsense - but some of us want answers. Answers not for anything else but ones own satisfaction, ones own curiosity.For some time I was angry and saddened with the so-called establishment which during some centuries did so much to ditch the "truth", and which later, during the course of more centuries, did so much not to discover the "truth." Now I am no longer angry and I just want to help.
I'm afraid christianity should indeed be in fear of a seditious Jesus. Christian scholars have lived in their pacifist Jesus bubble for so long that the shock of finding their cherished Jesus has roots in Hasmonean history will be enough to send them running for the hills. Jewish history is a most sensitive issue..........................Christianity should not fear historical Jesus the Revolutionist, the leader of a movement involved into the struggle for Freedom and Independence. However, it is likely that the so-called Academic and Church establishments will usually be against Jesus.