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Ken Olson wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:17 am
Gary Goldberg has published a new argument for his thesis that Josephus'
Testimonium Flavianum is dependent on a Christian source also preserved in the Emmaus story in Luke 24 in
The Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus (2021):
Abstract
The controversial account of Jesus in Josephus’s Jewish Antiquities 18.63–64, known as the Testimonium Flavianum, has puzzling similarities to Luke 24.18–24, a portion of the Emmaus narrative. This article proposes an explanation based on established research into Josephus’s methods of composition. Through a phrase-by-phrase study, this article finds that the Testimonium can be derived from the Emmaus narrative using transformations Josephus is demonstrated to have employed in paraphrasing known sources for the Antiquities. Precedents are identified in word adoption/substitution and content modification. Consequently, I submit that the Testimonium is Josephus’s paraphrase of a Christian source. This result also resolves the difficulties that have raised doubts about the Testimonium’s authenticity, with implications for the understanding of the historical Jesus.
At present the article can be read online or downloaded in PDF here:
https://brill.com/view/journals/jshj/ao ... 10003.xml
Best,
Ken
JW:
When betting on women's tennis I always bet against the heterosexual and when reading religious articles I always start with the conclusion.
Perhaps even more difficult than determining the source of the TF is the conclusion here of Goldberg. Candidates:
- 1) Josephus copied from GLuke/GLuke source is the solution.
2) Josephus copied from GLuke/GLuke source is the best solution.
3) Josephus copied from GLuke/GLuke source is a good solution.
4) Josephus copied from GLuke/GLuke source is a solution
As a Skeptic I normally like uncertainty. But not when it's trying to figure out what someone's conclusion is.
This suggests that he is not a professional quality writer. How do these articles always get through Christian
Peer Review Ken (rhetorical).
The consensus is that "Luke" was written after Antiquities and there's already a better argument that GLuke
copied from Josephus:
"Mark's" Fourth Philosophy Source (After Imagination, Paul & Jewish Bible) = Josephus
Regarding the parallels which is more likely, that "Luke" took history from Josephus and made it non-history (supernatural) or verse-vices? See, when you don't have to be neutral on the supernatural it makes your conclusions much better.
So what I would like to know at this point (same as what I would like to know when Wasserman argues that "son of god" is original or Carlson argues that Secret Mark is not) is who/what exactly is Gary J. Goldberg?
Joseph
SATIRE, n. An obsolete kind of literary composition in which the vices and follies of the author's enemies were expounded with imperfect tenderness. In this country satire never had more than a sickly and uncertain existence, for the soul of it is wit, wherein we are dolefully deficient, the humor that we mistake for it, like all humor, being tolerant and sympathetic. Moreover, although Americans are "endowed by their Creator" with abundant vice and folly, it is not generally known that these are reprehensible qualities, wherefore the satirist is popularly regarded as a sour-spirited knave, and his ever victim's outcry for codefendants evokes a national assent.
The New Porphyry