Thoughts about Dating Revalation to John to Hadrian's Time

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Re: Thoughts about Dating Revalation to John to Hadrian's Time

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John T, if you know about any mythicists who are conflating mythicism and mysticism, then please cite them to us.

Otherwise, your claim seems false.
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ABuddhist wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:51 am John T, if you know about any mythicists who are conflating mythicism and mysticism, then please cite them to us.

Otherwise, your claim seems false.
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John T wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:19 am
ABuddhist wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:51 am John T, if you know about any mythicists who are conflating mythicism and mysticism, then please cite them to us.

Otherwise, your claim seems false.
:facepalm:

John T is done with this thread.
I note that you have not responded to any other of my words in reply to you from this morning - not even to condemn them as false or lies. Does this mean that you acknowledge that the following words are all true?

What nonsense you are saying in the following ways!

1. Mythicism and mysticism are not related words (except perhaps in the most distant sense unrelated to modern English), nor are mythicists conflating mysticism and mythicism. Mythicism is related to the word myth, and mysticism is related to the word mystic - and a myth and a mystic are fundamentally different nouns.

2. You foolishly continue to rely upon Ehrman's work as the definitive refutation of mythicism even as I have shown to you that it was not such a book.

3. You incorrectly claim that you have confirmed Ehrman's claims about mythicists even though: (a) I have provided to you a quotation establishing that one can be a Christian and a mythicist; and (b) your claim that a few modern atheists have conflated mythicism and mysticism in order to mislead the ignorant is nonsense, as I pointed out in point (1) of this response.
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Re: Thoughts about Dating Revalation to John to Hadrian's Time

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John T wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:19 am
ABuddhist wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:51 am John T, if you know about any mythicists who are conflating mythicism and mysticism, then please cite them to us.

Otherwise, your claim seems false.
:facepalm:

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Do not get me wrong. Some mythicists claim that early Christianity, with its mythical Christ, arose from mysticism - but even they distinguish, as far as I know, between the concepts of "myth" and "mystic" (and their respective -isms).
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ABuddhist wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:27 am
John T wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:19 am
ABuddhist wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:51 am John T, if you know about any mythicists who are conflating mythicism and mysticism, then please cite them to us.

Otherwise, your claim seems false.
:facepalm:

John T is done with this thread.
Do not get me wrong. Some mythicists claim that early Christianity, with its mythical Christ, arose from mysticism - but even they distinguish, as far as I know, between the concepts of "myth" and "mystic" (and their respective -isms).
You're wasting your time on this one friend. This is common with him, making shit up and then making his exit.

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Re: Thoughts about Dating Revalation to John to Hadrian's Time

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Jax wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:53 am
ABuddhist wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:27 am
John T wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:19 am
ABuddhist wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:51 am John T, if you know about any mythicists who are conflating mythicism and mysticism, then please cite them to us.

Otherwise, your claim seems false.
:facepalm:

John T is done with this thread.
Do not get me wrong. Some mythicists claim that early Christianity, with its mythical Christ, arose from mysticism - but even they distinguish, as far as I know, between the concepts of "myth" and "mystic" (and their respective -isms).
You're wasting your time on this one friend. This is common with him, making shit up and then making his exit.

Lane
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Re: Thoughts about Dating Revalation to John to Hadrian's Time

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ABuddhist wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:28 am
Jax wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:53 am
ABuddhist wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:27 am
John T wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:19 am
ABuddhist wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:51 am John T, if you know about any mythicists who are conflating mythicism and mysticism, then please cite them to us.

Otherwise, your claim seems false.
:facepalm:

John T is done with this thread.
Do not get me wrong. Some mythicists claim that early Christianity, with its mythical Christ, arose from mysticism - but even they distinguish, as far as I know, between the concepts of "myth" and "mystic" (and their respective -isms).
You're wasting your time on this one friend. This is common with him, making shit up and then making his exit.

Lane
I prefer to act as if people are honest - wherefore I seek citations for their claims.
A laudable position and one that I myself attempt to emulate, one that is lost on him I'm afraid.
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