When Papias Speaks of the 'Dominical Logia' He Probably Means Old Testament Scriptures ... Because of Philo

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When Papias Speaks of the 'Dominical Logia' He Probably Means Old Testament Scriptures ... Because of Philo

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[05] "The Divine Word" -- o qeioV logoV [in process]
Leg. Allegor. 3.8 [§ 3, i. 89] :
(8) In reference to which the Divine Word says "Let them send forth from the holy soul every leper, and every one afflicted with foul disease, and every one who is impure in his soul, both male and female, and all mutilated persons, and all these who are emasculated, and all whoremongers," (xYonge; Num 5.2)

De Cherubim 3 [1]:
[Hagar,] having been met by an angel, as the holy scriptures read [var: which is the divine word (cf Loeb)]: but the second time, she is utterly cast out, and is never to be brought back again.

[06] "The Prophetic Word," e.g.
aposemnunein eoiken o propfhtikos logos
(De Plantat. Noe, § 28, i. 347).

[07] "The Oracle," = logion
to de logion esti toionde
(De Agricult. § 29, i. 319).

[08] "The Utterance of the Oracle," e.g.
marturhsei de to crhsqen logion
Leg. Allegor. 3.129 [45]:
(129)and the most holy Oracle bears witness to what I am here saying; for it says, "Moses having taken the breast took it that it might be an offering before the Lord, from the ram of consecration, and this was Moses's part." (xYonge; Lev 8.29)

(Quod det. pot. inside § 14, i. 200).

[09] "The Inspired Oracle," = logion
marturei de kai to qespisqen logion
(De Somn 1.231 [i. § 40, i. 655].
MARTUREI= DE\ KAI\ TO\ QESPISQE\N LO/GION TW=| PUNQANOME/NW|,
EI) E)/STIN O)/NOMA AU)TW=|, O(/TI "1E)GW/ EI)MI O( W)/N"2 (&Exod. 3, 14$)
Philo Judaeus Phil., De mutatione nominum 13:
DHLOI= DE\ KAI\ LO/GION E)K PROSW/POU QESPISQE\N TOU= TW=N O(/LWN H(GEMO/NOS PERI\ TOU= MHDENI\ DEDHLW=SQAI TO\ O)/NOMA AU)TOU= KU/RION.
6. Philo Judaeus Phil., De vita Mosis. {0018.022} Book 2 section 246 line 3. (Browse)
KLHROUXI/AN XRHSMW=N, E(CH=S DHLW/SW | TA\ KAT' E)NQOUSIASMO\N TOU= PRO-
FH/TOU QESPISQE/NTA LO/GIA: TOU=TO GA\R U(PESXO/MHN DEI/CEIN. A)RXH\ TOI/NUN
E)STI\N AU)TW=| TH=S QEOFORH/TOU KATOKWXH=S, H(/TIS KAI\ TW=| E)/QNEI GE/GONEN
8. Philo Judaeus Phil., De vita contemplativa. {0018.028} Section 25 line 4. (Browse)
MHDE\N EI)SKOMI/ZONTES, MH\ POTO/N, MH\ SITI/ON, MHDE/ TI TW=N A)/LLWN O(/SA PRO\S TA\S TOU= SW/MATOS XREI/AS A)NAGKAI=A, A)LLA\ NO/MOUS KAI\ LO/GIA QESPISQE/NTA DIA\ PROFHTW=N KAI\ U(/MNOUS KAI\ TA\ A)/LLA OI(=S E)PISTH/MH KAI\ EU)SE/BEIA SUNAU/- (5)

[+09+] "The oracles" = crhsmoi
3. Philo Judaeus Phil., De cherubim. {0018.003} Section 124 line 3. (Browse)
A)LHQE/SI KAI\ MARTURI/AIS, A(\S OU) QE/MIS YEUDOMARTURIW=N A(LW=NAI — XRHSMOI\ GA/R, OU(\S E)N I(ERAI=S BI/BLOIS *MWUSH=S A)NE/GRAYEN, OI( MARTUROU=NTE/S EI)SI — , PARAITHTE/ON TOI/NUN TO\N NOU=N, O(\S TO\ GENNHQE\N KATA\ TH\N PRO\S

4. Philo Judaeus Phil., Quod deterius potiori insidiari soleat. {0018.005} Section 166 line 1. (Browse)
PRO\S ME\N OI)KEI/WN KAI\ FI/LWN SW/|ZETAI, PRO\S A)LLOTRI/WN DE\ KAI\ DUSMENW=N DIAFQEI/RETAI. DIA\ TOU=TO KAI\ O( XRHSMO\S A)NTIMARTURW=N TH=| PROSPOIH/TW| EU)HQEI/A| TOU= *KA/IN FHSI/N: "1OU)X OU(/TWS"2 FRONEI=S W(S LE/GEIS (&Gen. 4, 15$):

5. Philo Judaeus Phil., De confusione linguarum. {0018.013} Section 94 line 3. (Browse)
E)LEUQERI/A BEBAIOTA/TH; TI/S; H( TOU= MO/NOU QERAPEI/A SOFOU=, KAQA/PER MAR-
TUROU=SIN OI( XRHSMOI/, E)N OI(=S EI)/RHTAI "1E)CAPO/STEILON TO\N LAO/N, I(/NA ME
QERAPEU/H|"2 (&Exod. 8, 1$). I)/DION DE\ TW=N TO\ O)\N QERAPEUO/NTWN OI)NOXO/WN

6. Philo Judaeus Phil., De migratione Abrahami. {0018.014} Section 115 line 1. (Browse)
TA\ D' E)NNOOU/MENA—FAULO/TERA GA\R H)=N—E)/TIKTEN H( MISA/RETOS DIA/NOIA. MARTUREI= DE\ O( PERI\ TOU/TWN XRHSMO/S: "1OU) GA\R E)/DWKE"2 FHSI/N
"1O( QEO\S TW=| *BALAA\M KATARA/SASQAI/ SOI, A)LL' E)/STREYE TA\S KATA/RAS

7. Philo Judaeus Phil., De fuga et inventione. {0018.017} Section 158 line 1. (Browse)
TO\ DE\ METANOEI=N SOFOU=: PAGXA/LEPON DE\ KAI\ DUSEU/RETON TOU=TO/ GE. FHSI\N OU)=N O( XRHSMO/S, O(/TI "1ZHTW=N E)CEZH/THSE *MWUSH=S"2 E)N TW=| QNHTW=| BI/W| TO\N PERI\ A(MARTHMA/TWN METANOI/AS LO/GON. E)SPOU/DAZE GA\R A)NEUREI=N

8. Philo Judaeus Phil., De mutatione nominum. {0018.018} Section 39 line 4. (Browse)
MA/RTURES D' OI( XRHSMOI/, E)N OI(=S LE/GETAI TW=| *)ABRAA\M E)K PROSW/POU TOU= QEOU=: "1EU)ARE/STEI E)NW/PION E)MOU="2 (&Gen. 17, 1$), TOU=TO D' E)STI\ MH\ E)MOI\ MO/NW|,

9. Philo Judaeus Phil., De mutatione nominum. {0018.018} Section 90 line 4. (Browse)
E)/CWQEN E)PEISODIAZOME/NWN KAI\ PROSTIQEME/NWN TOI=S KATA\ FU/SIN PROSTASI/AN A)NH=PTAI. MARTUROU=SI D' OI( XRHSMOI\ DHLOU=NTES O(/TI TA\S TROFA\S TH=S SWMATIKH=S XW/RAS A(PA/SHS, *AI)GU/PTOU, QHSAURISA/MENOS E)SITA/RXEI (&Gen. 41,


[10] "The Prophetic Utterance," = o crhsmos
(De Praem. et Poen. § 17, ii. 423).

11. Philo Judaeus Phil., De somniis. {0018.019} Book 2 section 297 line 2. (Browse)
(298.) H)\ TI/NA TI/SIN E)FARMO/TTEI; H( TOU/TWN E)PISTH/MH TE KAI\ DU/NAMIS A)NA/KEITAI MO/NW| QEW=|, KAI\ EI)/ TIS AU)TW=| FI/LOS. MA/RTUS DE\ KAI\ XRHSMO/S, E)N W(=| LE/GETAI: "1E)GW\ A)POKTENW= KAI\ ZH=N POIH/SW: PATA/CW KA)GW\ I)A/SOMAI"2

12. Philo Judaeus Phil., De Abrahamo. {0018.020} Section 262 line 1. (Browse)
O(MOU= KAI\ XRH/SEWS, EI)RH/NHN KAI\ EU)NOMI/AN KATAGGE/LLWN. *)/ESTI DE\ KAI\ A)NA/GRAPTOS E)/PAINOS AU)TW=| XRHSMOI=S MARTURHQEI/S, OU(\S *MWUSH=S E)QESPI/SQH, DI' OU(= MHNU/ETAI O(/TI "1E)PI/STEUSE TW=| QEW=|"

[11] "The Prophetic Utterances," e.g.
ws dhlousin oi crhsmoi
(De Confus. Ling. § 38, i. 435).

13. Philo Judaeus Phil., De Abrahamo. {0018.020} Section 270 line 1. (Browse)
PEPISTEUKW\S A)PISTEI= QEW=|, O( D' A)PISTW=N E)KEI/NOIS PEPI/STEUKE QEW=|.
(271.) A)LL' OU) MO/NON TH\N PRO\S TO\ O)\N PI/STIN AU)TW=| MARTUROU=SIN OI( XRHSMOI/, TH\N BASILI/DA TW=N A)RETW=N, A)LLA\ KAI\ PRW=TON AU)TO\N A)PEFH/NANTO "1PRES-

[12] "Holy oracles the most truthful witnesses,"
oi ayeudestatoi martures ieroi crhsmoi
(De Somn. ii. § 32, L 687). [[xvii]]

10. Philo Judaeus Phil., De somniis. {0018.019} Book 2 section 221 line 1. (Browse)
DE\ O( KO/SMOS A)RREPH/S, O( DHMIOURGO\S PW=S OU) BE/BAIOS; —, EI)=TA ME/NTOI
(222.) KAI\ OI( A)YEUDE/STATOI MA/RTURES I(EROI\ XRHSMOI/: LE/GETAI GA\R E)K PROSW/POU TOU= QEOU=: "1W(=DE E)GW\ E(/STHKA E)KEI= PRO\ TOU= SE\ E)PI\ TH=S PE/TRAS E)N

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[+13] "The sacred oracle"
1. Philo Judaeus Phil., Legum allegoriarum libri i-iii. {0018.002} Book 3 section 129 line 5. (Browse)
A)POKO/PTEIN OI)/ETAI DEI=N TH=S YUXH=S, OU) METRIOPA/QEIAN A)LLA\ SUNO/LWS A)PA/QEIAN A)GAPW=N. MARTUREI= DE/ MOU TW=| LO/GW| O( I(ERW/TATOS XRHSMO/S: "1LABW\N"2 GA/R FHSI "1*MWUSH=S TO\ STHQU/NION A)FEI=LEN AU)TO\ E)PI/QEMA E)NAN-

[+14] "The true oracle"
2. Philo Judaeus Phil., De cherubim. {0018.003} Section 108 line 1. (Browse)
KAI\ PLOU/TOU KAI\ A)RXH=S KAI\ PA/NTWN O(/SA TO\ QNHTO\N A)SPA/ZETAI GE/NOS
(108.) TIMIW/TERON. TH=S DE\ TOU= O)/NTOS H(GEMONI/AS O( XRHSMO\S A)LHQH\S MA/RTUS LE/GWN W(=DE: "1KAI\ H( GH= OU) PRAQH/SETAI EI)S BEBAI/WSIN: E)MH\ GA/R E)STI

14. Philo Judaeus Phil., De vita Mosis. {0018.022} Book 2 section 285 line 1. (Browse)
ME/GEQOS DIA/SHMON KAI\ PERIBO/HTON A)PE/FHNE TH\N EU)SE/BEIAN TOU= PROFH/TOU XRHSAME/NOU QEW=| MA/RTURI TH=S PERI\ TOU\S XRHSMOU\S A)LHQEI/AS. A)/CION DE\ KA)KEI=NO MH\ PARIDEI=N, O(/TI TA\S KATA\ TW=N A)SEBW=N KOLA/SEIS DIEKLHRW/SANTO
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Re: When Papias Speaks of the 'Dominical Logia' He Probably Means Old Testament Scriptures ... Because of Philo

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In his recent edition of Papias' work, Stephen Carlson argues that what Papias understands by the term λόγια are scriptural passages from the Old Testament, though he arrives at that conclusion by a different route.

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Stephen Carlson, Papias of Hierapolis Exposition of Dominical Oracles: The Fragments, Testimonia, and Reception of A Second Century-Commentator (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2021) 39.

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Thank you. Looks very interesting
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Re: When Papias Speaks of the 'Dominical Logia' He Probably Means Old Testament Scriptures ... Because of Philo

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Ken Olson wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:05 am though he arrives at that conclusion by a different route.
And even I am arrived to the same conclusion by a further different route. :cheers:
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