billd89 wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 11:44 am
... Sethian culture was ancient. Their rites of baptismal enlightenment may have been hundreds of years old and varied, by 100 AD.
Christian Sethians are Sethians who adopted parts of the Christ myth (100-175 C.E.);
Turner dates Sethian works to 125 AD, and generally speaking, he's a Late Dater.
Cheers. I web-searched for 'Sethrum Josephus' and the two most significant results on the first page were
1. Your recent post on the Jewish section of this forum
viewtopic.php?p=137117#p137117 with a map showing Sethrum,
and
2. this Wikipedia page,
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herakleopolis_Mikra, with reference to Σέθρον,
Sethron; Heracleopolis Swarm, Heracleus, Heraclium, Sethrum in relation to Herakleopolis Mikra an ancient city located in Lower Egypt, the Nile Delta, and belonged to The Nomos of Sethroite (where Nomos = district/county/province). Clicking on
The Nomos of Sethroite gives, when translated to English, "It received its Greek name during the Hellenistic period, the Ptolemy period, when it was named after its then capital. The name was used during the Greco-Roman period in Egypt ... The main god of Nomos was Horus.[9] Heru.[5] [which may or may not be accurate or pertinent depending on chronology]"
billd89 wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 11:44 am
Pre-Christian Sethians (who Josephus has told us about, those of the Sethrum/Syriad in Egypt) are probably the best candidate for that 'Sons of God' cult which Philo Judaeus (c.25 AD) is forever mentioning, with all their mystical trappings and controversy. They were numerous in the Diaspora, but esp. in Egypt. So he* seeks to influence them; some have gone too far, become outright heretics.
Who sought to influence them? Philo?
As for Josephus, he mentions Seth in
Antiquities 1.2.3 - 3.4, at least. A note (13), by Whiston, I presume, refers to the "Josephus’s mistake" wrt to the Pillars, "when he took Seth the son of Adam, for Seth or Sesostris King of Egypt, the erector of these Pillars in the land of Siriad, see
Essay on the Old Testament, Appendix, pp. 159, 160."
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for posterity
https://www.trismegistos.org/text/26562
and
Sesostris (Greek: Σέσωστρις),
also transliterated as Sesoösis, or Sesonchosis, is the name of a legendary king of ancient Egypt who, according to Herodotus, led a military expedition into parts of Europe ... Herodotus
[Histories 2.102] relates that when Sesostris defeated an army without much resistance he erected a pillar in their capital with a vulva on it to symbolize the fact that the army fought like women ...
According to Diodorus Siculus (who calls him Sesoosis) and Strabo, he conquered the whole world, even Scythia and Ethiopia, divided Egypt into administrative districts or nomes, was a great law-giver, and introduced a caste system into Egypt and the worship of Serapis
[
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Enc ... /Sesostris : "Sesostris is evidently a mythical figure calculated to satisfy the pride of the Egyptians in their ancient achievements, after they had come into contact with the great conquerors of Assyria and Persia"]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesostris