Going through the Greek works of both Philo and Josephus I have encountered an oddity. When Philo talks about God he usually uses the title Kurious and when talking about human masters/rulers he uses despotes, in Josephus this is exactly the reverse with kurios being used for human rulers and Despotes reserved for God.
Only twice does Josephus use Kurios in connection with God, both times in Antiquities, once in book 13 3:1:68
Titus 2:9 δούλους ἰδίοις δεσπόταις ὑποτάσσεσθαι ἐν
1 Peter 2:18 φόβῳ τοῖς δεσπόταις οὐ μόνον
Luke 2:29 δοῦλόν σου δέσποτα κατὰ τὸ
Acts 4:24 καὶ εἶπαν Δέσποτα σὺ ὁ
Interesting, most of these are, with the exception of Luke and Acts, works that were not accepted at one time or another by early XCians. At any rate, they mostly are thought to post date Luke/Acts.
lclapshaw wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 11:47 am
When Philo talks about God he usually uses the title Kurious and when talking about human masters/rulers he uses despotes [ δεσπότα / δεσπότης / δεσπότην / etc ]
In Josephus this is exactly the reverse with Kurios [Lord] being used for human rulers and Despotes reserved for God
Only twice does Josephus use Kurios in connection with God, both times in Antiquities ...
This is fascinating ...
lclapshaw wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 2:26 pm
Interesting, most of these^ are, with the exception of Luke and Acts, works that were not accepted at one time or another by early XCians
I'd be careful here as 'early XCians' implies the standard scheme of dating the NT texts and the supposed lateness of the 'pastoral' and catholic epistles. Revelation and even Jude may be earlier wrt to the others ...
lclapshaw wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 11:47 am
When Philo talks about God he usually uses the title Kurious and when talking about human masters/rulers he uses despotes [ δεσπότα / δεσπότης / δεσπότην / etc ]
In Josephus this is exactly the reverse with Kurios [Lord] being used for human rulers and Despotes reserved for God
Only twice does Josephus use Kurios in connection with God, both times in Antiquities ...
This is fascinating ...
lclapshaw wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 2:26 pm
Interesting, most of these^ are, with the exception of Luke and Acts, works that were not accepted at one time or another by early XCians
I'd be careful here as 'early XCians' implies the standard scheme of dating the NT texts and the supposed lateness of the 'pastoral' and catholic epistles. Revelation and even Jude may be earlier wrt to the others ...
Point taken, but it does seem that the works were suspect and not universally accepted. Not trying to make a big case of it, just noting it.
Titus 2:9 δούλους ἰδίοις δεσπόταις ὑποτάσσεσθαι ἐν
1 Peter 2:18 φόβῳ τοῖς δεσπόταις οὐ μόνον
Luke 2:29 δοῦλόν σου δέσποτα κατὰ τὸ
Acts 4:24 καὶ εἶπαν Δέσποτα σὺ ὁ
Interesting, most of these are, with the exception of Luke and Acts, works that were not accepted at one time or another by early XCians. At any rate, they mostly are thought to post date Luke/Acts.
Picking Luke here. 2:26 addresses Jesus as Kurios, so the Despote is Gawd indeed. This must be Matthew's hand or at least this isn't in *Ev
Oddly, Luke uses tons of "in peace" but always with accusative, not dative - save for his ludicrous mash up of the strong man in 8:28
