Giuseppe wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:01 am
mlinssen wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 8:59 am
You believe in a historical Jesus, don't you? And not just anyone, but a real, truly spiritual being, the likes of which this earth has never witnessed before or after
are you begging the question? In line of principle, a hallucination is not a miracle. Isn't Paul claiming again and again
that he had hallucinations?
Can anyone just receive hallucinations from anyone else? Or is either the "sender" or the "receiver" supposed to possess something "special"?
With regards to [/quote]Isn't Paul claiming again and again
that he had hallucinations?[/quote]:
No, absolutely and most certainly not - although I have looked for the word 'vision' and not 'hallucination':
[box=]BOOK OF Acts
Chapter 2 The Holy Spirit at Pentecost
17 ‘And it will be in the last days, God says, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your elders will dream dreams.
Chapter 7 Stephen's Address to the Sanhedrin
31 And Moses having seen it, marveled at the vision. And of him coming near to behold it, there was the voice of the Lord:
Chapter 9 The Road to Damascus
10 Now there was a certain disciple in Damascus named Ananias. And the Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias!” And he said, “Behold me, Lord.”
12 and he saw in a vision a man named Ananias, having come and having put the hands on him, so that he might see again.”
Chapter 10 Cornelius Sends for Peter
3 About the ninth hour of the day, he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God having come to him and having said to him, “Cornelius!”
8 and having related all things to them, he sent them to Joppa. Peter's Vision
17 And while Peter was perplexed in himself what the vision that he had seen might be, behold, the men having been sent from Cornelius, having inquired for the house of Simon, stood at the gate.
19 And of Peter thinking over the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are seeking you.b
Chapter 11 Peter's Report at Jerusalem
5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision, a certain vessel like a great sheet descending, being let down out of heaven by four corners, and it came down as far as me.
Chapter 12 James Killed, Peter Imprisoned
9 And having gone forth, he was following, and he did not know that what is happening by means of the angel is real, but he was thinking he saw a vision.
Chapter 16 Timothy Joins Paul and Silas
5 So indeed the churches were strengthened in the faith and were increasing in number every day. Paul's Vision of the Macedonian
9 And a vision appeared to Paul during the night: A certain man of Macedonia was standing and beseeching him and saying, “Having passed over into Macedonia, help us.”
10 Now when he had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go forth to Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them. Lydia’s Conversion in Philippi
Chapter 18 Paul's Ministry in Corinth
9 Now the Lord said to Paul through a vision in the night, “Do not fear, but continue speaking, and do not be silent,
Chapter 26 Paul's Testimony to Agrippa
19 So then, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision,
Chapter 28 Ashore on Malta
BOOK OF 2 Corinthians
Chapter 12 Paul's Revelation
1 It behooves me to boast; it is not profitable indeed, but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord.[/box]
When I search for the word 'revelation', I get a little:
BOOK OF Galatians
Chapter 1 Paul's Greeting to the Galatians
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but by a revelation of Jesus Christ.
Chapter 2 The Council at Jerusalem
2 Now I went up according to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles; but apart individually to those esteemed, lest hardly I might be running or have run in vain.
BOOK OF Ephesians
Chapter 3 The Mystery of the Gospel
3 that He made known to me the mystery by revelation, just as I have written before in brief,
Which verses did you have in mind?