It wasn't a trivial dispute. Evil is the most important subject in Christianity after God.
The tempting of Jesus by Satan
Re: The tempting of Jesus by Satan
Our new age Gnostic scholars are easily exorcised with the primary sources.John T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:20 pm See how quickly these threads can go from a pseudo-quest in Biblical criticism to using that as a cover to attack Christians and promote atheism?
Someone starts a thread and makes an assertion but when a legitimate challenge comes up they do not respond. Meaning, they aren't really interested in their subject, just trying to get validation.
Re: The tempting of Jesus by Satan
The interesting point here is that by the time the author of the Panarion came into contact with them the Marcionites had a three principle doctrine. The later Iranian marcionites then replaced the Demiurge with Hyle as a neutral principle. The Armenian Marcionite myth retold by Eznik has the Ultimate God, the Demiurge and Hyle as the characters.
Where did they get their doctrines of Hyle? There is nothing in the reconstructed Marcionite Gospel to suggest hyle. Because she doesn't make an appearance until the Book of Revelation, which wasn't in the Marcionite cannon. But of course Marcion's doctrines are nowhere to be found in the reconstruction of his book...
Where did they get their doctrines of Hyle? There is nothing in the reconstructed Marcionite Gospel to suggest hyle. Because she doesn't make an appearance until the Book of Revelation, which wasn't in the Marcionite cannon. But of course Marcion's doctrines are nowhere to be found in the reconstruction of his book...
Re: The tempting of Jesus by Satan
Where and when did Marcionites get into Iran, and for how long were they active there? Or are you referring to Marcionites within the broader Persian empire?Thomas R wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:51 pm The interesting point here is that by the time the author of the Panarion came into contact with them the Marcionites had a three principle doctrine. The later Iranian marcionites then replaced the Demiurge with Hyle as a neutral principle. The Armenian Marcionite myth retold by Eznik has the Ultimate God, the Demiurge and Hyle as the characters.
Re: The tempting of Jesus by Satan
I don't know that there has ever been a history of the Iranian Marcionites. They are very obscure but mentioned in many middle eastern sources from the middle ages.ABuddhist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:42 pmWhere and when did Marcionites get into Iran, and for how long were they active there? Or are you referring to Marcionites within the broader Persian empire?Thomas R wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:51 pm The interesting point here is that by the time the author of the Panarion came into contact with them the Marcionites had a three principle doctrine. The later Iranian marcionites then replaced the Demiurge with Hyle as a neutral principle. The Armenian Marcionite myth retold by Eznik has the Ultimate God, the Demiurge and Hyle as the characters.