FWIW the Jesus Seminar included Thomas as one of their Five Gospels
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IS XS: No Jesus or Christ spelled out in early MSS
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Re: IS XS: No Jesus or Christ spelled out in early MSS
andrewcriddle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:56 am FWIW the Jesus Seminar included Thomas as one of their Five Gospels
Did Jesus claim to be the Messiah? Did he promise to return and usher in a new age? How did Jesus envision the Kingdom of God?
The Five Gospels answers these questions in a bold, dynamic work that will startle traditional readers of the Bible and rekindle interest in it among secular skeptics. In 1985 the Jesus Seminar, comprising a distinguished group of biblical scholars, was founded by Robert W. Funk. They embarked on a new translation and assessment of the gospels, including the recently discovered Gospel of Thomas. In pursuit of the historical Jesus, they used their collective expertise to determine the authenticity of more than fifteen hundred sayings attributed to him. Their remarkable findings appear in this book.
The Five Gospels answers these questions in a bold, dynamic work that will startle traditional readers of the Bible and rekindle interest in it among secular skeptics. In 1985 the Jesus Seminar, comprising a distinguished group of biblical scholars, was founded by Robert W. Funk. They embarked on a new translation and assessment of the gospels, including the recently discovered Gospel of Thomas. In pursuit of the historical Jesus, they used their collective expertise to determine the authenticity of more than fifteen hundred sayings attributed to him. Their remarkable findings appear in this book.
Does this book make any reference at all to the runes (nomina sacra) of "the historical" Jesus Christ?
Re: IS XS: No Jesus or Christ spelled out in early MSS
Yes, one of the many many works on Thomas that I have that is hardly worth the paper that it is printed on. I mean for a work from people who have no clue about any of it, it is agreeable although most of the text is about what the Fellows votedandrewcriddle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:56 am FWIW the Jesus Seminar included Thomas as one of their Five Gospels
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Leaven. This is a one-sentence parable in its Q version (Matt I 3:33/ /Luke 13:2o-21): 'God's imperial rule is like leaven which a woman took and concealed in fifty pounds of flour until it was all leavened: Matthew and Luke agree word-for-word in taking the parable over from Q. Thomas, on the other hand. seems to have edited it slightly: the explicit contrast between a little leaven and large loaves has been introduced into the parable. This contrast, found also in Thomas' version of the parable of the lost sheep (107:1-3) and the parable of the fishnet (8: 1-3), is alien to the genuine parables of Jesus. And Thomas omits reference to 'fifty pounds of flour; which adds to the parable's intrigue. Yet the two versions are close enough to warrant placing them in the same category:
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The Fellows identified this brief picture story as one o( the polestars that guide them to the authentic voice of jesus. In it, Jesus reverses the ordinary sense of a common symbol, leaven, which normally stood for corruption and evil, and uses it in a positive sense: God's imperial rule is like that. During the Passover season, Judeans were under mandate to get all forms of yeast out of the house; the sacred bread had to be unleavened-like the kind you might take on a long journey through the desert. The Fellows take the inversion of symbols to be a key to some of jesus' basic figures of speech.
Two ears. As in many other instances, the injunction to pay attention to what the parable says is tacked onto this short story. The Fellows always gave this saying a gray rating because it is not particularly distinctive of jesus; it could have been employed by almost any teacher, ancient or modem, as advice to students in the wake of some sage advice.
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The Fellows identified this brief picture story as one o( the polestars that guide them to the authentic voice of jesus. In it, Jesus reverses the ordinary sense of a common symbol, leaven, which normally stood for corruption and evil, and uses it in a positive sense: God's imperial rule is like that. During the Passover season, Judeans were under mandate to get all forms of yeast out of the house; the sacred bread had to be unleavened-like the kind you might take on a long journey through the desert. The Fellows take the inversion of symbols to be a key to some of jesus' basic figures of speech.
Two ears. As in many other instances, the injunction to pay attention to what the parable says is tacked onto this short story. The Fellows always gave this saying a gray rating because it is not particularly distinctive of jesus; it could have been employed by almost any teacher, ancient or modem, as advice to students in the wake of some sage advice.
It's beauty parlour talk really, mindless chatter.
But if you depart from the canonicals, derive Q from that, and then look at Thomas with blind eyes - surely you can reach mundane conclusions that leave great question marks.
The trouble with the Jesus Seminar is that they looked for a real Jesus, with the inevitable outcome of a very, very minimal one