mlinssen wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:47 am
The thing is, thanks for the analysis - it is valuable and helpful.
Like Thomas, all Philip translations are rubbish and we can't start to read it until mine is ready. And whatever I do in the meantime is highly speculative, please do keep that in mind
Do you have an ETA for Philip?
But until then, these are great ways to see that there is a universe of difference between XS and XRS
And isn't it funny and awkward that no one seems to care about IS vs IHS? AFAIK
Here is an analysis of IS vs IHS in the Gospel of Philip.
This could not have happened without your transcription of the ligatures. Thanks for this. That all other scholars have neglected to identify what the Coptic texts actually say is negligence.
ⲓⲥ & ⲓⲏⲥ
Hereafter IS and IHS:
The Coptic Runes of Jesus in the Gospel of Philip
- IS - What is his flesh? It is the LOGOS; and his blood is the Sacred Spirit. (25)
“IS the XS beguile the whole place - this one is the Logos” (124)
Translation follows Patterson-Brown with your ligature identification:
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One Jesus or Two Different Jesus’?
ⲓⲥ = 16
SUMMARY: IS is introduced first (20) and appears last (133)
IS = the Greek (Logos) Jesus
* IS is a hidden name, does not occur in any of the languages (20)
* Flesh of IS is Logos, blood is spirit (25)
* IS took them all by surprise. For he did not reveal himself (29)
* IS and IHS - IS the measured (51)
* The EYXARISTEIA is IS. the out-spread. IS came to STAYROY (Crucify ?) the world (57)
* IS revealed pleroma of sovereignty of heavens, begotten as son, was anointed, atoned and he atoned. (88)
* IS established the totality for himself in his heart (89)
* IS came from within that place (life) and brought nourishment (99)
* Only IS knows the destiny of this one (transition and imperfect) (113)
* IS poured death away by perfecting the water of Baptism. (115)
* IS the XS—he beguiled the entire place, burdened no-one; perfected person; this one is the Logos (124)
* IS pulled up the root of the entire place, but the others (had done so) only in part. (133)
DETAILS
20a. IS is a hidden name, ‘the XRS’ is a revealed name Thus IS indeed does not occur in any of the languages, but rather his name is IHS as he is called. Yet his name ‘XRS’ in reign-of SYROS is ‘MESSIAS’, but in Ionian° is: XS.
25. ‘flesh [and blood will not be able] to inherit the Sovereignty [of God].’ What is this which shall not inherit? This which is upon every one of us? Yet this is rather what will inherit—that which belongs to IS with his blood. Therefore he says: He who eats not my flesh and drinks not my blood, has no life within him. What is his flesh? It is the LOGOS; and his blood is the Sacred Spirit
29. IS took them all by surprise. For he did not reveal himself as he [truly] was, but rather he has revealed himself as [they will] be able essentially to perceive him. They were susceptible
51. The APOSTOLOS who preceded us called (him) thus: IHS the NAZWRAIOS MESSIAS - this is IHS the NAZWRAIOS XS. The last name is the XS, the first is IS, that in the middle is the NAZARHNOS. ‘MESSIAS’ has two SHMASIA: both the XRS and also the measured°. IS in 'EBRAIOS is the atonement. ‘NAZARA’ is the ALHTEIA, therefore the NAZARHNOS is the ALHTEIA. The XS is the measured, the NAZARHNOS and IS are the measurement.
57. The EYXARISTEIA is IS. For in reign-of SYROS they call him PhARISAThA — this is, the out-spread. For IS came to STAYROY the world.
88. IS revealed [beside the (River)] Jordan° the PLHRWMA of the Sovereignty of the Heavens, which existed before the totality.a Moreover he was begottenb as Son, moreover he was anointed, moreover he was atoned, moreover he atoned.
89. If it is appropriate to tell a MYSTERION, the Father of the totality mated with the Virgin who had come down—and a fire shone for him on that day. He revealed the power of the bridal chamber (Pastos). Thus his body came into being on that day.b He came forth in the NYMPhWN as one who has issued from the NYMPhIOS with the NYMPhH—this is how IS established the totality for himself in his heart. And thru thesec, it is appropriate for each one of the Disciples to enter into his repose.
98. Philip° the Apostle says: Joseph° the Carpenter planted a grove because he needed wood for his craft. He him-self made the STAYROSa from the trees that he had planted, and his heir° hung on that which he had planted. His heir was IHS, yet the plant was the SPOS. But the tree of life is in the midst of paradise—and the olive tree, from the heart of which the XREISMA came thru him of the ANASTASIS
99. This world devours corpses—furthermore, those who eat in it themselves die. The true (person) consumes life—therefore no one nourished in [the truth shall] die. IS came from within that place, and he brought nourish-ment from there. And to those whom he wished he gave their lives, so that they not perish
113. [It is appropriate] that we be made to become [perfected persons] before we come forth [from the world].a Whoever has received everything [without being made master] of these places, will [not be able to master] that place; but rather he shall [go] forth to the transition as imperfect. Only IS knows the destiny of this one.
114.(no mention) The Saint is entirely holy, including his body.a For if he receives the bread he will sanctify it, or the chalice,b or anything else he receives he purifies. And how will he not purify the body also?
115. IS poured death away by perfecting the water of Baptism. Because of this, we indeed are sent down into the water—yet not down unto death,a (but rather) in order that we be poured away from the spirit of the world. Whenever that blows, its winter occurs; (butb) when the Sacred Spirit breathes, the summer comes.
124. This is IS the XS—he beguiled the entire place and did not burden anyone. Therefore, blest is this perfected person of this kind; for this one is the Logos.
133. Yet IS pulled up the root of the entire place, but the others (had done so) only in part.
ⲓⲏⲥ = 4
SUMMARY: IHS is introduced second
IHS is the Jewish (Apostolic) Jesus
* IS hidden name, IHS his "called name" (20a)
* Apostles called him IHS the NAZWRAIOS MESSIAS - this is IHS the NAZWRAIOS XS. (51)
* IHS the heir of Joseph the carpenter hung on the trees that Joseph had planted (98)
DETAIL:
20a. IS is a hidden name, ‘the XRS’ is a revealed name Thus IS indeed does not occur in any of the languages, but rather his name is IHS as he is called. Yet his name ‘XRS’ in reign-of SYROS is ‘MESSIAS’, but in Ionian° is: XS.
51. The APOSTOLOS who preceded us called (him) thus: IHS the NAZWRAIOS MESSIAS - this is IHS the NAZWRAIOS XS. The last name is the XS, the first is IS, that in the middle is the NAZARHNOS. ‘MESSIAS’ has two SHMASIA: both the XRS and also the measured°. IS in 'EBRAIOS is the atonement. ‘NAZARA’ is the ALHTEIA, therefore the NAZARHNOS is the ALHTEIA. The XS is the measured, the NAZARHNOS and IS are the measurement.
98. Philip° the Apostle says: Joseph° the Carpenter planted a grove because he needed wood for his craft. He him-self made the STAYROSa from the trees that he had planted, and his heir° hung on that which he had planted. His heir was IHS, yet the plant was the SPOS. But the tree of life is in the midst of paradise—and the olive tree, from the heart of which the XREISMA came thru him of the ANASTASIS
COMMENTS:
One Jesus or Two Different Jesus’ in the Gospel of Philip?
There appears to be two.
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IS is the Greek (Logos) Jesus
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IHS is the Jewish (Apostolic) Jesus
ETA: I am still struggling with the IS and IHS in Thomas. You mention this at various places through your Commentary (0-55). If your are interested I'll post where I am at.