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The XS and XRS in the Gospel of Philip as Two Different Christs

Two ligatures XS and XRS appear through the Gospel of Philip (NHC 2.3) and all translators to date have used some sort of "poetic license" to translate both of these as "Christ". A problem however is perceivable when the usage of the two terms is analysed in respect of the literary context in which the ligatures appear.

It would appear the XS is closely associated with a Greek perception of deity whereas the XRS is associated with the Jewish deity.

Any comments?


XS

XS as The First Christ and Greek ‘messiah’

The XS is introduced first and mentioned last –


When one becomes alive to the truth one is in danger of dying. He is alive since the day that the XS came - the system was invented, the cities are constructed, the dead carried out. (4,5)

XS is the perfect person, brings manna, has all things within – human, angel, mystery – including the father (15)

XS is the Greek “messiah” (20)

Born through the sacred spirit and we are reborn through the XS (80)

XS so called from the XRISMA not baptism, Christians are so called from the XRISMA (101)

XS is the measured (51)

IS the XS
beguiled the entire place and did not burden anyone. Therefore, blest is this perfected person of this kind; for this one is the Logos. (124)


XRS

XRS as the Second Christ and Jewish ‘messiah’

The XRS is introduced second –


XRS came to rectify himself to the separation (86).

XRS is a revealed name / common noun. (20)

XRS is the Aramaic / Hebrew / SYROS “messiah” (20)

The XRS ransoms some, saves some, atones some (8)

If a ChrEstian receives the XRISMA in the power of the cross and apostles he becomes a XRS (72)

Both the XRS and also the measured” implies XRS is not the measured? IS is the measurement. (51)

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Leucius Charinus wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:18 am The XS and XRS in the Gospel of Philip as Two Different Christs

XS

XS as The First Christ and Greek ‘messiah’

The XS is introduced first and mentioned last –


When one becomes alive to the truth one is in danger of dying. He is alive since the day that the XS came - the system was invented, the cities are constructed, the dead carried out. (4,5)

XS is the perfect person, brings manna, has all things within – human, angel, mystery – including the father (15)

It is bread, not manna. Paterson Brown was as bad as everyone else in his interpretations, possibly much worse. "Perfect" is the Greek https://logeion.uchicago.edu/%CF%84%CE% ... E%BF%CF%82
XS is the Greek “messiah” (20)
MESSIAS - line 8 and 9 of https://metalogos.org/files/till/w-till-05.gif
And you can also see the odd MNT-CYROS just preceding that, as well as the puzzling MNT-IOYAEIANIN right after which gets translated with Ionian I think, and interpreted as Hellenic / Greek
Born through the sacred spirit and we are reborn through the XS (80)

XS so called from the XRISMA not baptism, Christians are so called from the XRISMA (101)

XS is the measured (51)
IS the XS beguiled the entire place and did not burden anyone. Therefore, blest is this perfected person of this kind; for this one is the Logos. (124)[/box]
https://coptic-dictionary.org/entry.cgi?tla=C5713 - measure, weigh
XRS

XRS as the Second Christ and Jewish ‘messiah’

The XRS is introduced second –


XRS came to rectify himself to the separation (86).

XRS is a revealed name / common noun. (20)

XRS is the Aramaic / Hebrew / SYROS “messiah” (20)

The XRS ransoms some, saves some, atones some (8)

If a ChrEstian receives the XRISMA in the power of the cross and apostles he becomes a XRS (72)

Both the XRS and also the measured” implies XRS is not the measured? IS is the measurement. (51)

ⲁⲩⲱ ⲥⲉ ⲛⲁ ⲱϩⲉ ⲉ ⲣⲁⲧ ⲟⲩ = and they will stand to foot they

That's from Thomas, literally of course, and Philip has

https://metalogos.org/files/till/w-till-17.gif

Last line there, number 14:
ⲉ ϥ ⲛⲁ ⲥⲉ ⲱϩ ϥ ⲉ ⲣⲁⲧ ϥ
. he will to them stand him to feet his (dodgy!)

Just tweaked some, the general tendency is alright and I've scanned all this way too often already.
The thing is, thanks for the analysis - it is valuable and helpful.
Like Thomas, all Philip translations are rubbish and we can't start to read it until mine is ready. And whatever I do in the meantime is highly speculative, please do keep that in mind

But until then, these are great ways to see that there is a universe of difference between XS and XRS

And isn't it funny and awkward that no one seems to care about IS vs IHS? AFAIK
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mlinssen wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:47 am
Leucius Charinus wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:18 am The XS and XRS in the Gospel of Philip as Two Different Christs

The thing is, thanks for the analysis - it is valuable and helpful.
Like Thomas, all Philip translations are rubbish and we can't start to read it until mine is ready. And whatever I do in the meantime is highly speculative, please do keep that in mind
I do agree that all the previous Thomas and Philip translations into English leave a lot to be desired and that this manifest discontent will extend to all the tracts within the NHL. How did this situation arise?

In three letters - SBL

p.248

"The whole of the Nag Hammadi library was circulating in English among most scholars in the field by 1973, though only in the form of first drafts without publication rights, which were contingent on publication of the facsimile edition."

"... at the annual meeting of the Society of Biblical Literature in San Francisco on 29 December 1977, there appeared the first bound copies of the ninth and tenth volumes of the Facsimile Edition containing the last 3 of the 13 codices. Thus all of the Nag Hammadi library was put into the public domain. On the same occasion it was possible to present the first prepublication copies of the one-volume English translation of all 13 codices, The Nag Hammadi Library in English."

Getting the Nag Hammadi Library into English
Author(s): James M. Robinson
Source: The Biblical Archaeologist , Autumn, 1979, Vol. 42, No. 4, The Nag Hammadi
Library and Its Archeological Context (Autumn, 1979), pp. 239-248
Published by: The University of Chicago Press on behalf of The American Schools of
Oriental Research
Stable URL: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3209518

It is little wonder that the Society of Biblical Literature viewed the NHL as containing some exemplars of long lost "Biblical literature" such as the Gospels of Thomas and Philip. This goes a reasonable way towards explaining some of the eminently questionable transcriptions and thus translations.
But until then, these are great ways to see that there is a universe of difference between XS and XRS
This situation first required the XS and XRS to be dug out of the original manuscripts which had previously been transcribed as Christ for Christ's sake. All I have done is to gather the results together, separate the two ligatures and present the result.
And isn't it funny and awkward that no one seems to care about IS vs IHS? AFAIK
Well I have spent a couple of hours on that (with respect to Thomas - not Philip) and hope to put something together soon.
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Re: ⲓⲥ & ⲓⲏⲥ: The Coptic Runes of Jesus in the Gospel of Philip

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mlinssen wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:47 am The thing is, thanks for the analysis - it is valuable and helpful.
Like Thomas, all Philip translations are rubbish and we can't start to read it until mine is ready. And whatever I do in the meantime is highly speculative, please do keep that in mind
Do you have an ETA for Philip?
But until then, these are great ways to see that there is a universe of difference between XS and XRS

And isn't it funny and awkward that no one seems to care about IS vs IHS? AFAIK
Here is an analysis of IS vs IHS in the Gospel of Philip. This could not have happened without your transcription of the ligatures. Thanks for this. That all other scholars have neglected to identify what the Coptic texts actually say is negligence.


ⲓⲥ & ⲓⲏⲥ

Hereafter IS and IHS:

The Coptic Runes of Jesus in the Gospel of Philip
  • IS - What is his flesh? It is the LOGOS; and his blood is the Sacred Spirit. (25)

    “IS the XS beguile the whole place - this one is the Logos” (124)
Translation follows Patterson-Brown with your ligature identification:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8641&p=140226#p140226

One Jesus or Two Different Jesus’?

ⲓⲥ = 16

SUMMARY: IS is introduced first (20) and appears last (133)
IS = the Greek (Logos) Jesus

* IS is a hidden name, does not occur in any of the languages (20)
* Flesh of IS is Logos, blood is spirit (25)
* IS took them all by surprise. For he did not reveal himself (29)
* IS and IHS - IS the measured (51)
* The EYXARISTEIA is IS. the out-spread. IS came to STAYROY (Crucify ?) the world (57)
* IS revealed pleroma of sovereignty of heavens, begotten as son, was anointed, atoned and he atoned. (88)
* IS established the totality for himself in his heart (89)
* IS came from within that place (life) and brought nourishment (99)
* Only IS knows the destiny of this one (transition and imperfect) (113)
* IS poured death away by perfecting the water of Baptism. (115)
* IS the XS—he beguiled the entire place, burdened no-one; perfected person; this one is the Logos (124)
* IS pulled up the root of the entire place, but the others (had done so) only in part. (133)

DETAILS
20a. IS is a hidden name, ‘the XRS’ is a revealed name Thus IS indeed does not occur in any of the languages, but rather his name is IHS as he is called. Yet his name ‘XRS’ in reign-of SYROS is ‘MESSIAS’, but in Ionian° is: XS.
25. ‘flesh [and blood will not be able] to inherit the Sovereignty [of God].’ What is this which shall not inherit? This which is upon every one of us? Yet this is rather what will inherit—that which belongs to IS with his blood. Therefore he says: He who eats not my flesh and drinks not my blood, has no life within him. What is his flesh? It is the LOGOS; and his blood is the Sacred Spirit
29. IS took them all by surprise. For he did not reveal himself as he [truly] was, but rather he has revealed himself as [they will] be able essentially to perceive him. They were susceptible
51. The APOSTOLOS who preceded us called (him) thus: IHS the NAZWRAIOS MESSIAS - this is IHS the NAZWRAIOS XS. The last name is the XS, the first is IS, that in the middle is the NAZARHNOS. ‘MESSIAS’ has two SHMASIA: both the XRS and also the measured°. IS in 'EBRAIOS is the atonement. ‘NAZARA’ is the ALHTEIA, therefore the NAZARHNOS is the ALHTEIA. The XS is the measured, the NAZARHNOS and IS are the measurement.
57. The EYXARISTEIA is IS. For in reign-of SYROS they call him PhARISAThA — this is, the out-spread. For IS came to STAYROY the world.
88. IS revealed [beside the (River)] Jordan° the PLHRWMA of the Sovereignty of the Heavens, which existed before the totality.a Moreover he was begottenb as Son, moreover he was anointed, moreover he was atoned, moreover he atoned.
89. If it is appropriate to tell a MYSTERION, the Father of the totality mated with the Virgin who had come down—and a fire shone for him on that day. He revealed the power of the bridal chamber (Pastos). Thus his body came into being on that day.b He came forth in the NYMPhWN as one who has issued from the NYMPhIOS with the NYMPhH—this is how IS established the totality for himself in his heart. And thru thesec, it is appropriate for each one of the Disciples to enter into his repose.
98. Philip° the Apostle says: Joseph° the Carpenter planted a grove because he needed wood for his craft. He him-self made the STAYROSa from the trees that he had planted, and his heir° hung on that which he had planted. His heir was IHS, yet the plant was the SPOS. But the tree of life is in the midst of paradise—and the olive tree, from the heart of which the XREISMA came thru him of the ANASTASIS
99. This world devours corpses—furthermore, those who eat in it themselves die. The true (person) consumes life—therefore no one nourished in [the truth shall] die. IS came from within that place, and he brought nourish-ment from there. And to those whom he wished he gave their lives, so that they not perish
113. [It is appropriate] that we be made to become [perfected persons] before we come forth [from the world].a Whoever has received everything [without being made master] of these places, will [not be able to master] that place; but rather he shall [go] forth to the transition as imperfect. Only IS knows the destiny of this one.
114.(no mention) The Saint is entirely holy, including his body.a For if he receives the bread he will sanctify it, or the chalice,b or anything else he receives he purifies. And how will he not purify the body also?
115. IS poured death away by perfecting the water of Baptism. Because of this, we indeed are sent down into the water—yet not down unto death,a (but rather) in order that we be poured away from the spirit of the world. Whenever that blows, its winter occurs; (butb) when the Sacred Spirit breathes, the summer comes.
124. This is IS the XS—he beguiled the entire place and did not burden anyone. Therefore, blest is this perfected person of this kind; for this one is the Logos.
133. Yet IS pulled up the root of the entire place, but the others (had done so) only in part.


ⲓⲏⲥ = 4

SUMMARY: IHS is introduced second

IHS is the Jewish (Apostolic) Jesus


* IS hidden name, IHS his "called name" (20a)
* Apostles called him IHS the NAZWRAIOS MESSIAS - this is IHS the NAZWRAIOS XS. (51)
* IHS the heir of Joseph the carpenter hung on the trees that Joseph had planted (98)


DETAIL:
20a. IS is a hidden name, ‘the XRS’ is a revealed name Thus IS indeed does not occur in any of the languages, but rather his name is IHS as he is called. Yet his name ‘XRS’ in reign-of SYROS is ‘MESSIAS’, but in Ionian° is: XS.

51. The APOSTOLOS who preceded us called (him) thus: IHS the NAZWRAIOS MESSIAS - this is IHS the NAZWRAIOS XS. The last name is the XS, the first is IS, that in the middle is the NAZARHNOS. ‘MESSIAS’ has two SHMASIA: both the XRS and also the measured°. IS in 'EBRAIOS is the atonement. ‘NAZARA’ is the ALHTEIA, therefore the NAZARHNOS is the ALHTEIA. The XS is the measured, the NAZARHNOS and IS are the measurement.

98. Philip° the Apostle says: Joseph° the Carpenter planted a grove because he needed wood for his craft. He him-self made the STAYROSa from the trees that he had planted, and his heir° hung on that which he had planted. His heir was IHS, yet the plant was the SPOS. But the tree of life is in the midst of paradise—and the olive tree, from the heart of which the XREISMA came thru him of the ANASTASIS

COMMENTS:

One Jesus or Two Different Jesus’ in the Gospel of Philip?
There appears to be two.

* IS is the Greek (Logos) Jesus
* IHS is the Jewish (Apostolic) Jesus


ETA: I am still struggling with the IS and IHS in Thomas. You mention this at various places through your Commentary (0-55). If your are interested I'll post where I am at.
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Leucius Charinus wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:26 am
mlinssen wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:47 am The thing is, thanks for the analysis - it is valuable and helpful.
Like Thomas, all Philip translations are rubbish and we can't start to read it until mine is ready. And whatever I do in the meantime is highly speculative, please do keep that in mind
Do you have an ETA for Philip?
But until then, these are great ways to see that there is a universe of difference between XS and XRS

And isn't it funny and awkward that no one seems to care about IS vs IHS? AFAIK
Here is an analysis of IS vs IHS in the Gospel of Philip.

ⲓⲥ & ⲓⲏⲥ

Hereafter IS and IHS:

The Coptic Runes of Jesus in the Gospel of Philip
  • IS - What is his flesh? It is the LOGOS; and his blood is the Sacred Spirit. (25)

    “IS the XS beguile the whole place - this one is the Logos” (124)
Translation follows Patterson-Brown with your ligature identification:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8641&p=140226#p140226

One Jesus or Two Different Jesus’?

ⲓⲥ = 16

SUMMARY: IS is introduced first (20) and appears last (133)
IS = the Greek (Logos) Jesus

* IS is a hidden name, does not occur in any of the languages (20)
* Flesh of IS is Logos, blood is spirit (25)
* IS took them all by surprise. For he did not reveal himself (29)
* IS and IHS - IS the measured (51)
* The EYXARISTEIA is IS. the out-spread. IS came to STAYROY (Crucify ?) the world (57)
* IS revealed pleroma of sovereignty of heavens, begotten as son, was anointed, atoned and he atoned. (88)
* IS established the totality for himself in his heart (89)
* IS came from within that place (life) and brought nourishment (99)
* Only IS knows the destiny of this one (transition and imperfect) (113)
* IS poured death away by perfecting the water of Baptism. (115)
* IS the XS—he beguiled the entire place, burdened no-one; perfected person; this one is the Logos (124)
* IS pulled up the root of the entire place, but the others (had done so) only in part. (133)

DETAILS
20a. IS is a hidden name, ‘the XRS’ is a revealed name Thus IS indeed does not occur in any of the languages, but rather his name is IHS as he is called. Yet his name ‘XRS’ in reign-of SYROS is ‘MESSIAS’, but in Ionian° is: XS.
25. ‘flesh [and blood will not be able] to inherit the Sovereignty [of God].’ What is this which shall not inherit? This which is upon every one of us? Yet this is rather what will inherit—that which belongs to IS with his blood. Therefore he says: He who eats not my flesh and drinks not my blood, has no life within him. What is his flesh? It is the LOGOS; and his blood is the Sacred Spirit
29. IS took them all by surprise. For he did not reveal himself as he [truly] was, but rather he has revealed himself as [they will] be able essentially to perceive him. They were susceptible
51. The APOSTOLOS who preceded us called (him) thus: IHS the NAZWRAIOS MESSIAS - this is IHS the NAZWRAIOS XS. The last name is the XS, the first is IS, that in the middle is the NAZARHNOS. ‘MESSIAS’ has two SHMASIA: both the XRS and also the measured°. IS in 'EBRAIOS is the atonement. ‘NAZARA’ is the ALHTEIA, therefore the NAZARHNOS is the ALHTEIA. The XS is the measured, the NAZARHNOS and IS are the measurement.
57. The EYXARISTEIA is IS. For in reign-of SYROS they call him PhARISAThA — this is, the out-spread. For IS came to STAYROY the world.
88. IS revealed [beside the (River)] Jordan° the PLHRWMA of the Sovereignty of the Heavens, which existed before the totality.a Moreover he was begottenb as Son, moreover he was anointed, moreover he was atoned, moreover he atoned.
89. If it is appropriate to tell a MYSTERION, the Father of the totality mated with the Virgin who had come down—and a fire shone for him on that day. He revealed the power of the bridal chamber (Pastos). Thus his body came into being on that day.b He came forth in the NYMPhWN as one who has issued from the NYMPhIOS with the NYMPhH—this is how IS established the totality for himself in his heart. And thru thesec, it is appropriate for each one of the Disciples to enter into his repose.
98. Philip° the Apostle says: Joseph° the Carpenter planted a grove because he needed wood for his craft. He him-self made the STAYROSa from the trees that he had planted, and his heir° hung on that which he had planted. His heir was IHS, yet the plant was the SPOS. But the tree of life is in the midst of paradise—and the olive tree, from the heart of which the XREISMA came thru him of the ANASTASIS
99. This world devours corpses—furthermore, those who eat in it themselves die. The true (person) consumes life—therefore no one nourished in [the truth shall] die. IS came from within that place, and he brought nourish-ment from there. And to those whom he wished he gave their lives, so that they not perish
113. [It is appropriate] that we be made to become [perfected persons] before we come forth [from the world].a Whoever has received everything [without being made master] of these places, will [not be able to master] that place; but rather he shall [go] forth to the transition as imperfect. Only IS knows the destiny of this one.
114.(no mention) The Saint is entirely holy, including his body.a For if he receives the bread he will sanctify it, or the chalice,b or anything else he receives he purifies. And how will he not purify the body also?
115. IS poured death away by perfecting the water of Baptism. Because of this, we indeed are sent down into the water—yet not down unto death,a (but rather) in order that we be poured away from the spirit of the world. Whenever that blows, its winter occurs; (butb) when the Sacred Spirit breathes, the summer comes.
124. This is IS the XS—he beguiled the entire place and did not burden anyone. Therefore, blest is this perfected person of this kind; for this one is the Logos.
133. Yet IS pulled up the root of the entire place, but the others (had done so) only in part.


ⲓⲏⲥ = 4

SUMMARY: IHS is introduced second

IHS is the Jewish (Apostolic) Jesus


* IS hidden name, IHS his "called name" (20a)
* Apostles called him IHS the NAZWRAIOS MESSIAS - this is IHS the NAZWRAIOS XS. (51)
* IHS the heir of Joseph the carpenter hung on the trees that Joseph had planted (98)


DETAIL:
20a. IS is a hidden name, ‘the XRS’ is a revealed name Thus IS indeed does not occur in any of the languages, but rather his name is IHS as he is called. Yet his name ‘XRS’ in reign-of SYROS is ‘MESSIAS’, but in Ionian° is: XS.

51. The APOSTOLOS who preceded us called (him) thus: IHS the NAZWRAIOS MESSIAS - this is IHS the NAZWRAIOS XS. The last name is the XS, the first is IS, that in the middle is the NAZARHNOS. ‘MESSIAS’ has two SHMASIA: both the XRS and also the measured°. IS in 'EBRAIOS is the atonement. ‘NAZARA’ is the ALHTEIA, therefore the NAZARHNOS is the ALHTEIA. The XS is the measured, the NAZARHNOS and IS are the measurement.

98. Philip° the Apostle says: Joseph° the Carpenter planted a grove because he needed wood for his craft. He him-self made the STAYROSa from the trees that he had planted, and his heir° hung on that which he had planted. His heir was IHS, yet the plant was the SPOS. But the tree of life is in the midst of paradise—and the olive tree, from the heart of which the XREISMA came thru him of the ANASTASIS

COMMENTS:

One Jesus or Two Different Jesus’ in the Gospel of Philip?
There appears to be two.

* IS is the Greek (Logos) Jesus
* IHS is the Jewish (Apostolic) Jesus
I'm aiming at EOY for Philip.
20a says MOUTE, https://coptic-dictionary.org/entry.cgi?tla=C2101
SYROS occurs frequently in the NHL, I haven't traced that to a meaningful definition and source yet.
"Measure" is what IHS does in Thomas to the boiling Fountain, same word. There are many many identical words in Thomas and Philip - and do note that Thomas is the only text that speaks of IS without speaking of anything XS. Thomas the contender does likewise but he's short and has only 1 occurrence.
Philip is as cryptic as Thomas sometimes, they all are at points.
My Philip will be a v1.0 with the initial goal to reveal the real words - and spread that word
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You may have missed my late edits:

1) This could not have happened without your transcription of the ligatures. Thanks for this. That all other scholars have neglected to identify what the Coptic texts actually say is negligence.

2)
ETA: I am still struggling with the IS and IHS in Thomas. You mention this at various places through your Commentary (0-55). If your are interested I'll post where I am at.
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Leucius Charinus wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:48 am You may have missed my late edits:

1) This could not have happened without your transcription of the ligatures. Thanks for this. That all other scholars have neglected to identify what the Coptic texts actually say is negligence.

2)
ETA: I am still struggling with the IS and IHS in Thomas. You mention this at various places through your Commentary (0-55). If your are interested I'll post where I am at.
I sure did! I just used the quote function in order to reply

1) you're welcome. All of biblical academic in this regard consists of incompetent mediocrities who utterly fail to do any kind of due diligence, which in this case is extra embarrassing because manuscript and transcription are publicly available - no library loan needed, nothing; but falsifiers like Hugo Lundhaug can easily be openly blamed for not only neglecting their academic and moral duties but they can also evidently be accused of purposely refraining from any and all comment on the fact that this is the only known text in the world that uses both xrhst(ian)os as well as xrist(ian)os

Their falsification of Philip attests to the fact that they are actively and willingly prepared to commit whatever academical sin there is in order to uphold their Beloved Lie

2) Go on then. I like your Philip conclusions so far - I am now leaning towards Philip "reporting" from a xristos though not necessarily Christian side of the fence (that much was clear) that might be leaning towards Judaism or at least "something Jewish" - don't quote me on that please, it's a mere brain fart at the moment
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mlinssen wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:48 am All of biblical academic in this regard consists of incompetent mediocrities who utterly fail to do any kind of due diligence, which in this case is extra embarrassing because manuscript and transcription are publicly available - no library loan needed, nothing; but falsifiers like Hugo Lundhaug can easily be openly blamed for not only neglecting their academic and moral duties but they can also evidently be accused of purposely refraining from any and all comment on the fact that this is the only known text in the world that uses both xrhst(ian)os as well as xrist(ian)os
Yes Philip is rather exceptional. In Book II - one of the 4 expensively bound books along with Codex 6, 9 and 10 - it follows the Gospel of Thomas. Thomas follows the Apocryphon of John. Four copies from antiquity survive. Book II.

But as far as the transcriptions go all that can be said is SBL. Where B = Biblical and there is only One Chrestos who suffers from iotacism.
Their falsification of Philip attests to the fact that they are actively and willingly prepared to commit whatever academical sin there is in order to uphold their Beloved Lie
I be honest I do not see it any deliberate falsification rather as a product of confirmation bias coupled with centuries of group think. They are the "insiders" as Arnaldo Momigiano once wrote. They have under-estimated the Nag Hammadi Library.

2) Go on then.
A final question. Something you wrote about the IS and IHS here as a post . What did you have to say about the H? That it was not a Coptic letter or something? Can you explain or point me at your post? Thanks
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Re: ⲭⲥ & ⲭⲣⲥ: The Coptic Runes of Christ in the Gospel of Philip

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Leucius Charinus wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:12 am there is only One Chrestos who suffers from iotacism.
Iotacism doesn't apply because both words always existed simultaneously. And I'm not talking about Philip, I am talking about Greek as a language and likely even Coptic as a language as well

Iotacism and Chrestianity or Christianity is a no go, it simply is impossible, not applicable. Find me any case, anywhere, where e and i get confused while the exact two words already both exist.
No mother calls her two boys Tim and Tom only to continuously confuse the both of them - unless they're twins
Their falsification of Philip attests to the fact that they are actively and willingly prepared to commit whatever academical sin there is in order to uphold their Beloved Lie
I be honest I do not see it any deliberate falsification rather as a product of confirmation bias coupled with centuries of group think. They are the "insiders" as Arnaldo Momigiano once wrote. They have under-estimated the Nag Hammadi Library.
Are you serious? I have Lundhaug's Philip book myself and the word Chrest isn't in it. Nor is the word iotacism.
Don't you think it was worth at least a tiny comment, perhaps a minor footnote only?

https://books.google.nl/books?id=UeR5Dw ... 20&f=false

Go on then, see for yourself. 90+ occurrences of Christ and Christian, none for Chrest or Chrestian or iotacism
2) Go on then.
A final question. Something you wrote about the IS and IHS here as a post . What did you have to say about the H? That it was not a Coptic letter or something? Can you explain or point me at your post? Thanks
Nothing really, but it certainly is a Coptic letter
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Hugo Lundhaug Images of Rebirth: not a word on Chrestian at all

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Line 24 contains the word, logion 6 in Philip.
Not a comment, no footnote, no nothing: now why would Lundhaug not spend ANY attention to the fact that this is the only text in the world that has both XRHSTIANOS as well as XRISTIANOS? Apart from the fact that it is noteworthy that this is the only Nag Hammadi Text that actually contains the word Xristianos - a feat that not even Bezae, Vaticanus, Sinaiticus or whichever "proper Christian text" can pride themselves in. P72 can, yes: 1 and 2 Peter and Judas

Patterson Brown had a comment, although it's embarrassingly trivial - but a comment it is nonetheless

https://metalogos.org/files/ph_interlin/ph006.html
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