A Valentinian Exposition: "Jesus" the XRHSTOS alone

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A Valentinian Exposition: "Jesus" the XRHSTOS alone

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If you can click and count, you can verify that the so-called Valentinian Exposition (+ subs) speaks exclusively of "Jesus" the XHRHSTOS

NHL CODEX XI 2 A Valentinian Exposition 22–44 (including the sub texts!)

ⲓⲏⲥ: 17
ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ 11
ⲙⲛⲧ-ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ 2

Tractates with leaf:line number:

2. A Valentinian Exposition (22:1-39:39)
- a. On the Anointing (40:1-29)
- b. On Baptism A (40:30-41:38)
- c. On Baptism B (42:1-43:19)
- d. On the Eucharist A (43:20-38)
- e. On the Eucharist B (44:1-44:37)

Going by the index, here are the stats:

ⲓⲏⲥ: 33:18, 35:[10],14,30, 36:17,21, 37:22, 39:14,19,23,29, 40:[13],33, 41:[20], 43:[22],32,37
ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ: 26:23, 28:[23], 33:[17], 39:30, 40:13,33, 41:17, 42:[32], 43:[22],32,37
ⲙⲛⲧ-ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ: 23:34, 31:[29]

The text from the Brill NHL series is *{corrected for the real meaning}* with +THE LITERAL COPTIC+ transcribed as well.
If more than just a word is omitted, the entire sentence follows after =

23:34, and his goodness (χρηστός) +MNT-XRHSTOS+ and his
- Unable to locate
26:23, [sent] *{the}* Christ +XRHSTOS+ [forth to]
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2428
28:23, say] that Christ = {*did he say it, namely the}* +XRHSTOS+
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2590
31:29 [goodness (χρηστός) +MNT-XRHSTOS+] him. Life
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2581
33:17, Christ (χρηστός) +XRHSTOS+ and the seeds (sperma)
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/1852
33:18, Jesus of the Cross = +IHS+ *{of the wood}*
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/1852
35:10, Indeed (men) [Jesus +IHS+ and] Sophia
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2527
35:14, Jesus +IHS+ [contrived (epinoein)] a creature (ktisis) of this
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2527
35:30, things. Moreover, this Jesus +IHS+ created
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2527
36:17, in Jesus +IHS+ for the sake of [him who] inscribed
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2547
36:21, After Jesus +IHS+ brought [forth further]
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2547
37:22, of Jesus +IHS+ who
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2547
39:14, and Sophia and Jesus +IHS+ and [the angels (aggelos)]
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2550
39:19, and Jesus +IHS+ and [Sophia] and the [angels (aggelos)]
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2550
39:23, the seeds (sperma)] and Jesus +IHS+ [are] those of [Silence (sigh)
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2550
39:29, her consort (suzugos) and Jesus +IHS+
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2550
39:30, receives the Christ (χρηστός) +XRHSTOS+ and the seeds (sperma)
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2550
40:13, [Jesus] Christ +IHS+ *{the}* +XRHSTOS+ and anoint
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2717
40:33, our Lord Jesus +IHS+ *{the}* Christ +XRHSTOS+ (χρηστός)
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2717
41:17, of the Christ (χρηστός) +XRHSTOS+ [which]
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2556
41:20, For (gar) the of Jesus +IHS+
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2556
42:32, [the remnant] for which the Christ +XRHSTOS+ (χρηστός)
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2581
43:22, for the sake of] thy Son [Jesus +IHS+ *{the}* Christ +XRHSTOS+ (χρηστός)
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2410
43:32, [through the] name of Jesus +IHS+ *{the}* Christ +XRHSTOS+ (χρηστός)
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2410
43:37, [and] thy Offspring Jesus +IHS+ *{the}* Christ +XRHSTOS+ (χρηστός)
https://ccdl.claremont.edu/digital/coll ... ha/id/2410

Christianity? The existence of Chrestianity is undeniable.
And whereas no single text in the entire world says XRISTOS, these Coptic NHL ones scream of XRHSTOS in overwhelming abundance - and they speak of IHS the XRHSTOS, "Jesus" the 'good, honest, worthy, trusty'

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... xrhsto%2Fs

This Tractate (plus subs) represents over 60% of the XRHSTOS instances in the NHL, and as such is a representative sample.
However, it comes in a bundle and as such is not a representative sample.
So this is to be continued, and naturally will end up as an addendum to the original paper which currently sits in Discussion - which is very tightly managed, by the way

Next candidates:

NHL CODEX I, 4 The Treatise on the Resurrection 43–50
NHL CODEX I, 5 The Tripartite Tractate 51–140
NHL CODEX III, 1 The Apocryphon of John 1–40

which will up the score to 100%
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Re: A Valentinian Exposition: "Jesus" the XRHSTOS alone

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mlinssen wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:12 pm If you can click and count, you can verify that the so-called Valentinian Exposition (+ subs) speaks exclusively of "Jesus" the XHRHSTOS

NHL CODEX XI 2 A Valentinian Exposition 22–44 (including the sub texts!)

ⲓⲏⲥ: 17
ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ 11
ⲙⲛⲧ-ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ 2
I get IHC and Chrestos but what's with the MNT- ?
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Re: A Valentinian Exposition: "Jesus" the XRHSTOS alone

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Leucius Charinus wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:09 pm
mlinssen wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:12 pm If you can click and count, you can verify that the so-called Valentinian Exposition (+ subs) speaks exclusively of "Jesus" the XHRHSTOS

NHL CODEX XI 2 A Valentinian Exposition 22–44 (including the sub texts!)

ⲓⲏⲥ: 17
ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ 11
ⲙⲛⲧ-ⲭⲣⲏⲥⲧⲟⲥ 2
I get IHC and Chrestos but what's with the MNT- ?
https://coptic-dictionary.org/entry.cgi?tla=C1961

A question you could perfectly have answered for yourself
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Re: A Valentinian Exposition: "Jesus" the XRHSTOS alone

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A sterling effort Martijn !!
mlinssen wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:12 pm
Christianity? The existence of Chrestianity is undeniable.
And whereas no single text in the entire world says XRISTOS
Until some later century ..... ?
these Coptic NHL ones scream of XRHSTOS in overwhelming abundance - and they speak of IHS the XRHSTOS, "Jesus" the 'good, honest, worthy, trusty'

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... xrhsto%2Fs
How do you propose to translate MNT-XRHSTOS? Goodness, honesty, worthiness?
This Tractate (plus subs) represents over 60% of the XRHSTOS instances in the NHL, and as such is a representative sample.
However, it comes in a bundle and as such is not a representative sample.
So this is to be continued, and naturally will end up as an addendum to the original paper which currently sits in Discussion - which is very tightly managed, by the way

Next candidates:

NHL CODEX I, 4 The Treatise on the Resurrection 43–50
NHL CODEX I, 5 The Tripartite Tractate 51–140
NHL CODEX III, 1 The Apocryphon of John 1–40

which will up the score to 100%

Do you plan on covering the 4 known copies of the Apocryphon of John?
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Re: A Valentinian Exposition: "Jesus" the XRHSTOS alone

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Leucius Charinus wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:56 pm A sterling effort Martijn !!
mlinssen wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:12 pm
Christianity? The existence of Chrestianity is undeniable.
And whereas no single text in the entire world says XRISTOS
Until some later century ..... ?
these Coptic NHL ones scream of XRHSTOS in overwhelming abundance - and they speak of IHS the XRHSTOS, "Jesus" the 'good, honest, worthy, trusty'

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... xrhsto%2Fs
How do you propose to translate MNT-XRHSTOS? Goodness, honesty, worthiness?
This Tractate (plus subs) represents over 60% of the XRHSTOS instances in the NHL, and as such is a representative sample.
However, it comes in a bundle and as such is not a representative sample.
So this is to be continued, and naturally will end up as an addendum to the original paper which currently sits in Discussion - which is very tightly managed, by the way

Next candidates:

NHL CODEX I, 4 The Treatise on the Resurrection 43–50
NHL CODEX I, 5 The Tripartite Tractate 51–140
NHL CODEX III, 1 The Apocryphon of John 1–40

which will up the score to 100%

Do you plan on covering the 4 known copies of the Apocryphon of John?
The idea is that someone will have to demonstrate the presence of the word when they refute my very well founded claim.

MNT-XRHSTOS? XRHSTOS-ness, XRHSTOS-dom, XRHSTOS-ty

My Commentary also is explaining the grammar and working of Coptic. Thomas used kingdom, check out page 42

Naturally, Pete, the scope is the scope
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Re: A Valentinian Exposition: "Jesus" the XRHSTOS alone

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mlinssen wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:26 pm
Leucius Charinus wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:56 pm A sterling effort Martijn !!
mlinssen wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:12 pm
Christianity? The existence of Chrestianity is undeniable.
And whereas no single text in the entire world says XRISTOS
Until some later century ..... ?
these Coptic NHL ones scream of XRHSTOS in overwhelming abundance - and they speak of IHS the XRHSTOS, "Jesus" the 'good, honest, worthy, trusty'

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... xrhsto%2Fs
How do you propose to translate MNT-XRHSTOS? Goodness, honesty, worthiness?
This Tractate (plus subs) represents over 60% of the XRHSTOS instances in the NHL, and as such is a representative sample.
However, it comes in a bundle and as such is not a representative sample.
So this is to be continued, and naturally will end up as an addendum to the original paper which currently sits in Discussion - which is very tightly managed, by the way

Next candidates:

NHL CODEX I, 4 The Treatise on the Resurrection 43–50
NHL CODEX I, 5 The Tripartite Tractate 51–140
NHL CODEX III, 1 The Apocryphon of John 1–40

which will up the score to 100%

Do you plan on covering the 4 known copies of the Apocryphon of John?
The idea is that someone will have to demonstrate the presence of the word when they refute my very well founded claim.
That's fair enough. Which is the earliest text in the entire world says XRISTOS and what is the estimated date for that text? IDK? It looks like Jesus Christ appears on coins by the 9th century.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac15.html
MNT-XRHSTOS? XRHSTOS-ness, XRHSTOS-dom, XRHSTOS-ty
Thanks. I ended up figuring that out. I noticed this as one of the column headings in "Jesus the Chrest – Nomina Sacra in the Nag Hammadi Library". You might want to consider a brief description of the column headings. That statistical treatment must eventually promote some "scholarly" discussion.
My Commentary also is explaining the grammar and working of Coptic. Thomas used kingdom, check out page 42
Great coverage. Thanks.
Naturally, Pete, the scope is the scope
Did you construct https://metalogos.org ?
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Leucius Charinus wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:06 am
mlinssen wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:26 pm
Leucius Charinus wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:56 pm A sterling effort Martijn !!
mlinssen wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:12 pm
Christianity? The existence of Chrestianity is undeniable.
And whereas no single text in the entire world says XRISTOS
Until some later century ..... ?
these Coptic NHL ones scream of XRHSTOS in overwhelming abundance - and they speak of IHS the XRHSTOS, "Jesus" the 'good, honest, worthy, trusty'

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... xrhsto%2Fs
How do you propose to translate MNT-XRHSTOS? Goodness, honesty, worthiness?
This Tractate (plus subs) represents over 60% of the XRHSTOS instances in the NHL, and as such is a representative sample.
However, it comes in a bundle and as such is not a representative sample.
So this is to be continued, and naturally will end up as an addendum to the original paper which currently sits in Discussion - which is very tightly managed, by the way

Next candidates:

NHL CODEX I, 4 The Treatise on the Resurrection 43–50
NHL CODEX I, 5 The Tripartite Tractate 51–140
NHL CODEX III, 1 The Apocryphon of John 1–40

which will up the score to 100%

Do you plan on covering the 4 known copies of the Apocryphon of John?
The idea is that someone will have to demonstrate the presence of the word when they refute my very well founded claim.
That's fair enough. Which is the earliest text in the entire world says XRISTOS and what is the estimated date for that text? IDK? It looks like Jesus Christ appears on coins by the 9th century.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac15.html
MNT-XRHSTOS? XRHSTOS-ness, XRHSTOS-dom, XRHSTOS-ty
Thanks. I ended up figuring that out. I noticed this as one of the column headings in "Jesus the Chrest – Nomina Sacra in the Nag Hammadi Library". You might want to consider a brief description of the column headings. That statistical treatment must eventually promote some "scholarly" discussion.
My Commentary also is explaining the grammar and working of Coptic. Thomas used kingdom, check out page 42
Great coverage. Thanks.
Naturally, Pete, the scope is the scope
Did you construct https://metalogos.org ?
1)
https://coptic-dictionary.org/search.cgi

That's the home of CDO. You can use the keyboard or just paste Coptic in the little box there

2)
Regarding metalogos.org: as the very first bits of text say I restored an old version from metalog.org

After Paterson Brown died, at some point his domain went down and the content got hosted on freelyreceive.net, hidden away in the back somewhere.
That site has been going down quite a few times last year, https wasn't enabled etc, and I tried to contact the guy who runs it but that took a few tries and he's not too IT-savvy not responsive in any way.
I then retrieved the latest snapshot from Wayback, noticed that an awful lot of stuff had been removed (and a good amount also fixed) so I decided to leave it all intact, fix all dead links and add some navigation - and now it all brightly shines at a domain name that Paterson Brown must have dreamed off

He deserves all the credit in the world - even though his translation is very coloured, his translating is better than all of them together

Hmmmm, thanks Pete. I will then, but I was obsessed with keeping the intro to one page only, and the Moss footnote takes up a lot of space but I couldn't resist taking advantage of that giant blunder - in a civil way, I think.
I'll make some additions to the paper anyway, I like this publish-discuss-republish cycle. Reminds me of my blogging days which were rather fierce at times: blog-tweet-blog, rinse and repeat
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