The first euhemerizer of the Paul's Jesus was a Samaritan

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The first euhemerizer of the Paul's Jesus was a Samaritan

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The following propositions are true:
  • The Paul's Jesus worked entirely in outer space.
  • the Messiah Son of Joseph was crucified under Pilate and was adored as "Jesus" by Christians of Samaria.
The only way to harmonize both the claims is to think that some Samaritans identified their failed Samaritan Impostor crucified by Pilate (and described by Josephus) with the Paul's Jesus.

They euhemerized de facto the celestial Jesus of Paul by merely saying: he is the Samaritan Impostor crucified by Pilate.

Paraphrasing Couchoud, "once the name of Pilate was found" (by the first Samaritan euhemerizer), later someone filled the details of the biography of an invented davidic Jesus.
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Giuseppe wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:48 pm
The following propositions are true:
  • Paul's Jesus worked entirely in outer space
  • the Messiah Son of Joseph was crucified under Pilate and was adored as "Jesus" by Christians of Samaria
What is the evidence that the Messiah Son of Joseph was [said to be] crucified under Pilate?

What is the evidence that a Messiah Son of Joseph, [said to be] crucified under Pilate, was adored as "Jesus" by Christians of Samaria ??
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There is zilch evidence as there is no such thing as a messiah in the part of the Old Testament acceptable for Samarians.
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No to all this.
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The Evidence of a Samaritan cult of Jesus is in the simple fact that we don't think that Joseph as father of Jesus has a different origin from being an allusion to the Samaritan title of "Messiah ben Joseph".

Can we falsify the claim by a Christian of Samaria:

Our Messiah Son of Joseph was crucified by Pilate


...in the light of this?


The Samaritan nation too was not exempt from disturbance. For a man who made light of mendacity and in all his designs catered to the mob, rallied them, bidding them go in a body with him to Mount Gerizim, which in their belief is the most sacred of mountains. He assured them that on their arrival he would show them the sacred vessels which were buried there, where Moses had deposited them.
His hearers, viewing this tale as plausible, appeared in arms. They posted themselves in a certain village named Tirathana, and, as they planned to climb the mountain in a great multitude, they welcomed to their ranks the new arrivals who kept coming.
But before they could ascend, Pilate blocked their projected route up the mountain with a detachment of cavalry and heavily armed infantry, who in an encounter with the first comers in the village slew some in a pitched battle and put the others to flight. Many prisoners were taken, of whom Pilate put to death the principal leaders and those who were most influential among the fugitives.
When the uprising had been quelled, the council of the Samaritans went to Vitellius, a man of consular rank who was governor of Syria, and charged Pilate with the slaughter of the victims. For, they said, it was not as rebels against the Romans but as refugees from the persecution of Pilate that they had met in Tirathana.
Vitellius thereupon dispatched Marcellus, one of his friends, to take charge of the administration of Judaea, and ordered Pilate to return to Rome to give the emperor his account of the matters with which he was charged by the Samaritans. And so Pilate, after having spent ten years in Judaea, hurried to Rome in obedience to the orders of Vitellius, since he could not refuse. But before he reached Rome, Tiberius had already passed away.

(Josephus, Jewish Antiquities 18.85-89)

The name of Pilate comes very probably from a Samaritan source, meaning that the names "Jesus" and "Pilate" appeared first on the same line in a Samaritan source.
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There is absolutely no messianism in this part ascribed to FJ.
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