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This "Jacob Watts" who supposedly studied at Tübingen and Marburg w/ R. Bultmann (and fellow-student of W. Schmithals in 1948/9), is "he" a just literary fiction, authorial device, of the Editor/Translator of "his" books?
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"... Jacob studied at Tübingen and later at Marburg, Germany, before and after World War II"? Elsewhere, he is described as Canadian! Canadians didn't remain in Germany after 1938 - if this "Canadian" studied there "four years" (as described) he arrived in 1934 at the latest. He must have been born before 1914. Deceased in 1958 in India, on a mission from a Winnepeg church? At Age 44.

Gosh, I have lots of questions.

What did he do in the War? Its odd to imagine a Canadian going abroad to study in the ruins of the Third Reich, but anything is possible.

This Kodachrome (from the 1970s?) is supposed to represent Jacob Watts?? If this man is in late 30s, that picture must date c.1953 at the latest; if he's 35, that photo should be from 1949. (I-Don't-Think-So.)
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But the "second cousin" looks alot like the Editor/Translator (recent photo): I'd guess its the same guy, younger, circa 1976.
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Jacob Watts' notes" had to be translated, 'because German'. If "he" studied at Tübingen, they CERTAINLY have records of that fact. Canadian student, in 1938?!

I cannot find evidence this person lived.

I'm suspicious. Its seems implausible an unknown theologian produced several historische romans as mss. but apparently left no other records in his lifetime?

JW supposedly dies in India during 1958, so the original mss. (left w/relative, published five+ decades later) must be older, obviously. But the Editor's biblio. of JW's "source books" are almost all (1 or 2 exceptions) in English. And some date from 2000s, even 2011. Huh?

-- I'm digging at an authorial mystery of 1938 and I know that no "source" for my Authors will date any later! IMPOSSIBLE. --
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I think the editor explained that list of books are some of those mentioned by Jacob Watts and some were those consulted by the editor in his attempt to finish Watt's rough manuscripts.

What we should realize here is that the editor probably only reads English. Watts, from the note books, was competent in Greek, and from what the editor says also some German. I don't doubt that, although I do not see much German in the note books (but I only saw a couple "look inside" samples). The editor likely passed over any German authors cited or referenced by Watts, unable to comprehend what was there written.

The India angle is interesting. There was a lot of pro-German sympathy in India, mainly by the Aryan Society, during WWII.

They were a key part of the early Indian independence movement after the war.

There were Canadians of German descent in Germany during WWII, and probably many foreign university students in ministerial training, and some may simply have not left if they had the means. If you are a fellow settled into a PhD program, are employed by the university as a teaching assistant or as a private tutor, and know Hitler is not too concerned about students, why leave? Not all were Nazis, but many were romantics.

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I agree we may hypothecate the unproven existence of someone in Antiquity, with caveats duly noted. With all due respect, tho: this is clearly Pseudonymity!

Why? If nothing beyond the Author-Editor/Translator's claim suggests this "Jacob Watts" ever existed, then - quite simply - "he didn't." One doesn't need to prove the negative, and never mind the photographic proof given above. Just consider the obvious.

We are talking about an anglophone supposedly born in Canada 1910-6. A Canadian affluent enough to travel internationally in the 1930s (uncommon, frankly). With a much-stamped passport, studying at elite German Universities, before AND after WW2? That circumstance was extraordinarily rare, in fact. More baffling still, how likely is it that an ANGLICAN would go to study theology in Germany, at a time when anti-German sentiment was running high? To write on Roman history, in Cherman? No one is denying the possible existence of a precious few Cdn theology students abroad c.1938 either - the point is that you would need to prove this exact 'person' was actually there AND wrote this material.

I don't believe it's possible ;)

The question is simple: did a "Jacob Watts" work at "St. John's Anglican Cathedral" in Winnepeg during 1940s or 1950s (as the Author maintains) - yea or nay? (WARNING: I believe this is a Fool's Errand; Does.Not.Compute.) If not, you know what.

I'd insist
1) There MUST be some record of Birth, Obituaries, etc. for such a person. (If none, then -again SIMPLY- this 'personnage' never existed.)

and THEN -against the pretext this work is genuine as stated-
2) The imaginary "Author" wrote in German? So the Editor-Translator MUST know German! (This simply cannot be explained away.)
3) It is absolutely impossible any 'Author Deceased' c.1958 could have consulted ANY books written in the last two decades. (Good grief!)

That's obvious; more objections might be raised. I do appreciate 'for the sake of argument' hypotheticals, but STILL: almost every point must be valid to be assumed 'plausibly true'. If none are, well then: someone is basically caught rationalizing Falsehood: Error, or Deception.

It's Delusion if I believe my own nonsense; it's Lying if I know better lol. Yes, sometimes it IS 'black or white'. Truth exists. A biological female IS pregnant OR she ISN'T (there is no middle/other option: Not Knowing isnt a category of Pregnancy.) A "person" is alive, or they once were. (By definition, a fictional character is not and never was 'real', a person.) And so on... No, "Jacob Watts" is not Schrödinger's cat :lol: ; rather, it appears to be an ignored literary hoax, previously undiscovered.

I am not suggesting a comparison here, but you ought to wonder about the mindset of a Dan Mallory. Fabulism? Psychopathy?

And this is what a "chimera" looks like ... supposedly.
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