Mycenaean Hebrew

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1 Chronicles 29:11
Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty
לך יהוה הגדלה והגבורה והתפארת והנצח וההוד
σοί κύριε ἡ μεγαλωσύνη καὶ ἡ δύναμις καὶ τὸ καύχημα καὶ ἡ νίκη καὶ ἡ ἰσχύς (LXX)

יהוה διά ὑῆς

ה גדלה : ἡ μεγάλῃ
ה גבורה : ἡ κύρη
ה תפארת : ἡ ἔπαρσις
ה נצח : ἡ νίκη
ה הוד : ἡ αἰδώς
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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Dismemberment : Crushing Grapes
Rejoining : Juice in a single container
Resurrection : Wine

This is a very simple explanation for the various mythologies surrounding resurrection of various deities primarily associated
with wines and grapes and the language that surrounds is key.

The 'container' in Hebrew is called יקב that is commonly translated into ληνοῦ, these words are phonetically far-apart
but are cognates. ληνοῦ' means 'Tub', another word for κύβοu (קב).

λῆνος - Wool
ληνός - Tub
κύβος - Tub
οϝἶς - Sheep
כבש - Sheep

λῆν (Wool), ῥήν (Sheep), μῆλ (Sheep), רחל (Sheep) *Lhn, Rhn, Mhl, Rhl
* κύβοu > κλύβοu > λύνοu > ληνοῦ (morphology)
* κύβος = תבת
* μεγαμηλον, κάμηλος, גמל 'Big-sheep' .

רחם - bowels or womb

ρηγνυμι( rhegnumi)
1.Internal pressure building up until the wall of some kind of container is breached, resulting in the uncontrolled eruption of the contents
2. to burst forth, like lightning (φλόξ, ברק)
3. Cleft

רחם also roots Sparagmos (σπαραγμός) 'tear, rend, pull to pieces' used in the mythological context
of the dismemberment of the God (Crushing and bursting of grapes, mulberries and pomegranates).

פרק פרם פרס פרץ גרס טרף ערג הרס רצח רצץ רקע רפס קרע ילך דרך הלך זרע ברק רמס
σπαραγμός, ρηγνυμι, ῥήσσω, τρέχω, τροχός, ἐτρύγησαν, τρυγητήριον, χωρίζω, σπέρμα, δάκρυ, κραυγή
Tero, Thresh, Rend, Rent, Torculor, Prelum, trough, erupt, Trituro, Dirumpo, praefringo, rupti, fragor, dacrima, extract

Adam (Earth)
Eve (Plucking)
Cain (Stomping)
Abel (Death)
Seth (Resurrection)
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
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I for one think you are an absolute genius, and that one day your work will be appreciated for its ingenuity. I keep trying to find time to send you some of my findings on both the matter of Pre-Greek substrate (which I suspect to be of Semitic origin) and on correlations between Greek mythology and the Biblical narrative.

I'm of Lebanese origin and am planning a trip to Mount Hermon, which is in my opinion both Mt. Sinai (See Dr. Israel Knohl's work: http://azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=543) and Mt. Sion (see Deuteronomy 4:48).

I suspect its name is also the origin of the 3 Great Pyramids (3 peaks on Mt. Hermon) and their Semitic name (هرم, pronounced "Harm" or "Haram").
Another obvious connection would be the one with the god Hermes (whom by the way was worshipped as Pan on Mt. Hermon). Hermes' name derives from AGk "herma" meaning "stack of stones", which is exactly what a pyramid is, and another related Greek word is Hermit which derives from AGk "ermita" meaning "man from the desert", which is where the pyramids lie and the only desert the Ancient Greeks would have known.

There's much more to be talked about there, but I'm afraid this will turn into a hodge-podge of different ideas that pop up in my mind without structure, so I'll just stop it there.

I just have one question, have you given much thought as to the identity of Jacob, historically, and whether or not he corresponds to Aegyptus or Aethiopia? If you're willing to talk about this subject, please let me know, because I've done a lot of research on it and I have come to the conclusion that Jacob is Khufu himself, the Old Kingdom pharaoh and the alleged builder of the Great Pyramid(s).

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Ἑρμαῖον חרמון : called after Hermes, of or from Hermes

In Arabic the name Jacob (يعقوب) means partridge the homologue of κακκάβη "partridge" also the word for a three-legged pot.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... 1-contents

The stories of the Torah are native too the Ancient Levant therefore no need to identify with Ancient Egyptian culture.
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Ethan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:31 am Ἑρμαῖον חרמון : called after Hermes, of or from Hermes
I don't doubt that the borrowing may have been from Greek to Hebrew, but the word Ἑρμῆς (Hermes) has been suggested to be of Pre-Greek origin by Robert S. P. Beekes, which I suspect may be Canaanite/Phoenician, possibly even the word for Pyramid "𐤄𐤓𐤌" (H-r-m).
Unfortunately, the usual proposed root of the word هرم is حرم (-r-m) which means both "sacred enclosure" and "forbidden". Both of those definitions apply to the pyramids but I still find the connection between Hermes and هرم more likely due to the difference in pronunciation of ح and ه.

I think it's also worthy of note that there exists an ancient pyramid in the region of "Hermel" in Lebanon that is called "God's pyramid", which are literally translated as هرم إل in Arabic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamouh_el_Hermel

No etymon is given for the name of the region "Hermel", but I believe it is referring to this exact pyramid, where the word Herm is used and not the conventional Haram (هرم).
Ethan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:31 am In Arabic the name Jacob (يعقوب) means partridge the homologue of κακκάβη "partridge" also the word for a three-legged pot.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... 1-contents
Interesting, isn't the partridge also used in the Bible when talking about "someone who gets land that isn't his" ?

"As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool." (Jeremiah 17 :11).

The connection to the three-legged pot is also interesting, what do you think it could symbolize? One thing that pops to my mind is the triangular shape of the pyramids.
Ethan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:31 am The stories of the Torah are native too the Ancient Levant therefore no need to identify with Ancient Egyptian culture.
I see what you're saying, but the thing is that even though Greek mythology might have had nothing to do with Egypt (Aegyptus) and Ethiopia (Aethiopia), the Bible itself does talk about Egypt a whole lot. Jacob and Esau's story culminates in Jacob leaving the promised land and going to Egypt where his son immediately becomes the Pharaoh's vizier.

I'd like to ask you again which of the two brothers you believe is Aegyptus though? Is it Esau because his back was hairy (seir, meaning goat) or Jacob because he wore goat's hide on his back?
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