the Gospel of Philip says 'Chrestian' most of the time, whereas every translation says 'Christian'
Transcriptions of Christian manuscripts (Bezae)
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Re: Transcriptions of Christian manuscripts (Bezae)
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Bezae: 549 ιης, 55 ις, 83 χρς
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Re: Bezae: 549 ιης, 55 ις, 83 χρς
So these are counts for the entire set of New Testament books in Bezae?
ιης dominates ις by a factor of 10.
And there are 83 counts of χρς and no counts for χς ?
Re: Bezae: 549 ιης, 55 ις, 83 χρς
YesLeucius Charinus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:59 amSo these are counts for the entire set of New Testament books in Bezae?
ιης dominates ις by a factor of 10.
And there are 83 counts of χρς and no counts for χς ?
Yes
Yes
Bezae transcription (not this stand-alone one, but what goes along with the MS https://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/MS-NN-00002-00041/667) has been broken since a few weeks now, I just alerted them - that, on a side note
I'll do Sinaiticus next, visitors have just left and it's still a rainy Sunday
Bezae: 549 ιης, 55 ις, 83 χρς - and ις most certainly is later, and appears only in John
And you haven't overlooked the fact that essentially all these 27 IS occur in John alone, haven't you?Leucius Charinus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:59 amSo these are counts for the entire set of New Testament books in Bezae?
ιης dominates ις by a factor of 10.
And there are 83 counts of χρς and no counts for χς ?
And that Matthew 3 must be some kind of edition?
And then when you look at Matthew you observe that the folio has note to it: https://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/MS-NN-00002-00041/16
Hey, doesn't that look really different? Indeed, it does: there are 2 notes to the folio saying that a LATER hand added it.
Best, given the circumstances of the Online Bezae transcription not showing due to an AWS bug, give my link to the stand-alone transcription a shot for the time being: http://epapers.bham.ac.uk/1663/1/Bezae-Greek.xml
"Folio 7v Image Quire_1-7v (hair) Matthew 3" is what you need to look for there; do a mouse-over on both notes in the left margin
Now, what do we do regarding the comment? Is it factual and do we Accept it, or do we Reject it until we have investigated any further?
Do we have and hold Thomas in the back of our heads while we do any of that? No, most certainly not - we always take a decision based solely on the content and context of an individual MS first and foremost.
It definitely is a later hand when you look at the script, the sizing - and the relative portion of one part in relation to the other
So I have done nothing really, I most certainly haven't done any exegesis (nor did I plan to do any, nor will I ever do any) and we've merely done some dumb bean counting based on Bezae, and we have already established some solid facts and have likely found something that no one ever before has discovered. And we now know that there is a very great separation between John and the rest of Bezae.
And we have done all of this ourselves, in a matter of 2-3 hours, we not only didn't need anyone for it nor will we ever do, and the data that we have found and presented is objectively verifiable by all, it's fully traceable, and it is irrefutable
Oh wait...
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Re: Bezae: 549 ιης, 55 ις, 83 χρς
An interesting distribution indeed. Great stuff.mlinssen wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:38 amYesLeucius Charinus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:59 amSo these are counts for the entire set of New Testament books in Bezae?
ιης dominates ις by a factor of 10.
And there are 83 counts of χρς and no counts for χς ?
Yes
Yes
It will be very interesting how the four great "early" codices compare to each other and how they then compare to the NHL (plus other Coptic codices).I'll do Sinaiticus next, visitors have just left and it's still a rainy Sunday
A study of the Runes of Christ and the Runes of Jesus are a subject Odin would be highly interested in and greatly appreciate. Odin was into runes. They didn't really interest either Thor or Loki.
Re: Bezae: 549 ιης, 55 ις, 83 χρς
It appears that all IS-es are "scribos" for EIS, the proposition for in(to).
I've done a few so far, and I dare to extrapolate
Going by Traube's would seem to be very efficient
Re: Bezae: 549 ιης, 55 ις, 83 χρς
I'll be relocating these to another thread Pete.
Somehow magically it appears that there are only a few hours to go for presenting Philip in the same way that I did Thomas - which would be invaluable for researching it
I've only spent 50 hours on it so far, I really don't understand LOL - but I'm pleased.
People like Stephen Goranson will object of course; how can anyone do a translation of an ancient and sacred text in so little time? That isn't only highly dubious, that's sacrilege!
But people like Stephen Goranson have demonstrated the bankruptcy of Churchian rhetoric ad nauseam: viewtopic.php?p=140471#p140471
Anyway - this thread will continue on topic: Philip