*Ev is the Marcionite gospel and it is the very first gospel, preceding all canonical ones - that is what Klinghardt posits.Ken Olson wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:05 pmKlinghardt believes that there was an Evangelion before Marcion and that it is the first (i.e., pre-Markan) gospel.mlinssen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:36 pmKen, do you think that Klinghardt assumes *Ev to have redacted Luke, or that he posits that there was an Evangelion before Marcion?Ken Olson wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:05 am I agree. Klinghardt frequently frames questions about readings as false dichotomies, positing them as a strict choice between them being Marcion's own redaction of Luke or in the Evangelion before Marcion and therefore pre-Lukan and the original reading of the gospels, as though those choices exhausted the possible options. (This is one of the problems with his argument re: 'abolishing the law and the prophets' in *Ev/Luke 23.2, which I still plan/hope to get to).
Best,
Ken
When he sees a reading in which the Evangelion differs from canonical Luke, he poses a stark choice: 'either (1) I am right and this was in the original Evangelion or (2) this must be Marcion's redaction of Luke'.
Put that way, all he has to do is show the reading is unlikely to be Marcion's redaction of Luke and he wins the argument. But there are other possibilities, such as someone else having redacted Luke before Marcion received it (as may be the case with 'beloved' in manuscripts of Luke 9.35).
Best,
Ken
PS I should acknowledge that Andrew and Kunigunde alluded to this issue in different ways up thread.
Klinghardt also posits that NA27/28 / GNT4 do contain text of the earliest gospel, which thence is not Lukan - but *Ev's
It is striking in biblical academic that whenever it is about direction of dependence, two methods get deployed: either it is "evident and obvious" that e.g. the canonicals precede Thomas, or when such can't / doesn't get claimed then a magical third source gets introduced upon which both must have drawn. Science doesn't work that way, but biblical academic apparently does.
You can't have it both ways, and we can only build stable hypotheses on extant texts (which indeed is something of a thingy in the case of *Ev, yeah)
Everything is possible, but the likelihood of you demonstrating "someone else having redacted Luke before Marcion received it" is infinitesimal - so that simply isn't an available option
There are crazy riddles (such as the εὐθέως in Luke 5:39) still left which don't necessarily all need to be solved as the bulk of data points in the direction of *Ev-priority - I wouldn't blow all your ammo on a single verse